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Old 04-12-2014, 08:51 AM
 
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Though to answer your question there are definitely Democrats like that because Democrats are a big Tent party. An example is Joe Donnelly the senator from Indiana and Bob Casey Jr. the senator from Pennsylvania among others.
Exactly right. In fact, a lot of the Democrats in red states come close to representing what you're asking for. Of course, that's because they have to use some conservative rhetoric in order to have a chance at winning in their states, but still.

If you'd like to get an idea of which Democrats might best represent you, search for the lists that showed which Democrats in Congress were hesitant about or did not support the gun control measures that were up for debate last year. Or search for lists that show which Democrats in Congress are hesitant about or do not support same-sex marriage.

 
Old 04-12-2014, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The blue dogs are still around but have been consistently outmaneuvered and co-opted by the Obama admin. In 2009, the blue dogs initially opposed the "stimulus" package but when push came to shove, 43 of 52 voted "yes" on the so-called stimulus.

According to Robert Woodward:

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Originally Posted by Price of Politics
...43 cast critical yes votes. Without them, the stimulus would not have made it out of the House.

Walking through the tunnels beneath the Capitol after the vote, John Tanner, a Blue Dog from Tennessee, playfully jumped on the back of coalition co-chair Baron Hill.
"What the hell did we just do, Baron?" he asked.
"I don't know," admitted Hill.
(p. 22, The Price of Politics).
 
Old 04-12-2014, 09:13 AM
 
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Sure hope you've got a large Camper for a family of six ... that's a pretty confining space when traveling and inclement weather presents at campsites, especially for such an extended travel time.

IMO, you'll do best to seek out the travel stops where you have as many things to do as possible other than just be at a campsite. "touristy" type attractions will wear thin in perspective very quickly in time, so you need access to independent recreation and entertainment, opportunities for the kids to do things rather than just exist and survive.

You're proposing at least a 2,000 mile trip from FL to New England. That's a mellow pace of only a few hundred miles per week, with lots of time to stay in a given locale. Have you considered the cost per night to stay in RV camp facilities for such an extended time? you may want to purchase state park permits and stay up to the time limits in some locales if you can boondock with your camper.

I believe there are potential drawbacks to an extended nomadic lifestyle for your children. I see a lot of folks in my area that homeschool, and that's working well for them. However, the kids miss out on the social interaction that comes with stability and daily school year contact with their peers, and that's a signficant part of their development that is oft-times overlooked. To address that, the home-schoolers either group together for sports and other activities ... field trips, music/band/orchestra instruction, and so forth so that the kids have that interaction outside of their home schooling academic schedule.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 09:23 AM
 
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Are there any pro 2nd amendment and pro life democrats left? I think they used to be called Blue Dog Democrats or something along those lines. Seems MOST if not all I can think of are anti 2nd amendment and pro abortion...The republican party is the party for the rich and by the rich and along with their zealot like religious ties isn't for me any longer. I am a registered independent because NO ONE represents me anymore.
Both the Blue Dog Democrats and moderate Republicans have pretty much gone silent in this era of partisan gridlock and divide. I wonder where they all went? Maybe they should get together and form a middle of the road third party.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 09:42 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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So how do you propose that we restrict freedom of speech?
That's like defining armed robbery as "commerce". Then when you're told no - it's theft, asking how do you propose that we restrict commerce?

The FOX-trained corporate soldier propagandists of today, AKA Republicans, are as toxic to intellectual conservatism as the Democrats.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Vote.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 09:48 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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I am hoping Hillary will appoint a progressive to change the right wing tilt of SCOTUS and repair the damage the Roberts court has wrought.
Please don't misunderstand me. The point of my posting in this thread is to make the distinction between a conservative tilt and a corporate tilt. The last thing America needs or that I want to see is a Hillary appointed progressive.

The corporate takeover of our government is a tragedy that should outrage both ends of the political spectrum in equal measure.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Houston
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LMAO are you serious? Just wow...loss for words from that kind of idiotic response to this thread...buying elections is now free speech. AMAZING
Spending money to spread your viewpoint is exercising free speech. The court is correct. Nothing more dangerous than limiting political speech.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 10:12 AM
 
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The problem isn't money in politics, its that we have given politicians power over us.
Quit thinking there are those wise enough to rule over you.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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The corporate takeover of our government is a tragedy that should outrage both ends of the political spectrum in equal measure.
The corporate takeover of your government was predicted by Marx.

Government is nothing but a platform for the bourgeoisie to advance their own agenda....at your expense, of course.

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So how do you propose that we restrict freedom of speech?
Based on sovereignty.

Your Freedom of Speech can never violate my sovereignty.

Q: Who may contribute campaign contributions?

A: Any eligible registered voter.

Do you see how simple and easy campaign finance reform really is? Three freaking words: "eligible registered voter."

Whose rights are violated?

No one's rights are violated.

Q: Can unions contribute campaign contributions?
A: No, unions are not eligible registered voters.

Q: Can corporations contribute campaign contributions?
A: No, corporations are not eligible registered voters.

Q: Can political action committees contribute campaign contributions?
A: No, political action committees are not eligible registered voters.

Q: Can think-tanks contribute campaign contributions?
A: No, think-tanks are not eligible registered voters.

Q: Can special interest groups contribute campaign contributions?
A: No, special interest groups are not eligible registered voters.

Q: Can non-profit organizations contribute campaign contributions?
A: No, non-profit organizations are not eligible registered voters.

Q: Can a person contribute campaign contributions in the federal election of a president?
A: Yes, any eligible registered voter may contribute an unlimited amount of money to one or more presidential candidates.

Q: Can a person contribute campaign contributions in the federal election of senators?
A: Yes, any eligible registered voter may contribute an unlimited amount of money to one or more senatorial candidates in the State in which they are registered to vote. A person may not contribute monies to senatorial candidates in other States, since that violates the sovereignty of that State, and the People of that State.

Q: Can a person contribute campaign contributions in the federal election of representatives?
A: Yes, any eligible registered voter may contribute an unlimited amount of money to one or more representative candidates in the State and congressional district in which they are registered to vote. A person may not contribute monies to representative candidates in other States, since that violates the sovereignty of that State, and the People of that State. An eligible registered voter may not contribute monies to representative candidates outside of their registered congressional voting district, but they may make unlimited "blind" contributions to designated party campaign fund clearing-houses operating within the State.

Q: Can a person contribute campaign contributions in the State election of senators?
A: Yes, any eligible registered voter may contribute an unlimited amount of money to one or more senatorial candidates in the State in which they are registered to vote, provided the State operates an at-large system of election State senators. A person may not contribute monies to any electoral races in other States, since that violates the sovereignty of that State, and the People of that State.

Q: Can a person contribute campaign contributions in the election of State legislators?
A: Yes, any eligible registered voter may contribute an unlimited amount of money to one or more representative candidates in the State and district in which they are registered to vote. A person may not contribute monies to representative candidates in other States, since that violates the sovereignty of that State, and the People of that State. An eligible registered voter may not contribute monies to State legislator candidates outside of their registered voting district, but they may make unlimited "blind" contributions to designated party campaign fund clearing-houses operating within the State.

Q: Can a person contribute campaign contributions in municipal elections?
A: Yes, any eligible registered voter may contribute an unlimited amount of money to one or more candidates in the State and municipality in which they are registered to vote. A person may not contribute monies to candidates in other counties or municipalities, but they may make unlimited "blind" contributions to designated party campaign fund clearing-houses operating within the State.

Q: Can a person contribute campaign contributions to ballot issues?
A: Yes, any eligible registered voter may contribute an unlimited amount of money to one or more ballot issues in the State and municipality in which they are registered to vote. A person may not contribute monies to ballot issues outside of the State in which they are registered to vote, since that violates the sovereignty of that State, and the People of that State.

There you go....free speech without violating the sovereignty of others.

Three easy pieces...


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