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Old 11-16-2014, 05:59 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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"Ignorant right"? And your "enlightened" post was supposed to show the "ignorance" of conservatives?

1. Deportations: The lie about "record deportations" has been soundly refuted and is only believed by blind partisan liberals. Deportations have dropped 40% under Obama.

The Deportation Lie | National Review Online
I can concede that point as I really haven't looked into the information. However, border security isn't the issue, it's employers. Let me know when the Republicans start going after the business that hire and lobby for illegal labor.

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2. Oil production: Oil production has increased INSPITE OF OBAMA. The increase in energy production has occurred on private lands, not federal lands, as Obama opposes energy development.

a. war on coal
b. new EPA regulations on CO2 emissions designed to increase electricity costs
c. regulations to oppose fracking
d. further limitations on offshore oil drilling
e. further limitations in exploration on federal lands
f. keystone pipeline opposition
Oil and gas on federal lands is in free fall under Obama | The Daily Caller
a. War on coal? Even China is "having a war on coal". It's very polluting and not so cheap when you don't subsidize pollution. Natural gas is simply a better alternative and we have plenty of it.

b. Yet O&G production has boomed.

c. I'm a big fracking supporter but the industry needs to do a better job of doing it from a PR perspective. Again..... O&G production has soared under Obama.

d. Did you forget the worst environmental disaster that occurred in America history in the Gulf of America due to poor regulation and poor industry practices?

e. O&G has been booming, it's really a non factor.

f. Yet O&G has boomed under Obama.

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Isn't it funny when "enlightened" liberals actually prove themselves to be ignorant?
I'll concede the deportation, but everything else you are wrong about. I've never claimed to be enlightened or liberal.... I just oppose the far right and its ignorance.

We have undergone an energy renaissance under Obama, deal with it.
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Old 11-16-2014, 06:59 PM
 
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These new standards will avert up to 11,000 premature deaths, 4,700 heart attacks and 130,000 asthma attacks every year.
  • The value of the air quality improvements for people's health alone totals $37 billion to $90 billion each year. That means that for every dollar spent to reduce this pollution, Americans get $3-9 in health benefits.
  • The benefits are widely distributed and are especially important to minority and low income populations who are disproportionately impacted by asthma and other debilitating health conditions.
  • Up to 540,000 missed work or "sick" days will be avoided each year, enhancing productivity and lowering health care costs for American families.
- EPA

Why in the world would you believe this nonsense? "Up to 540,000 missed work days." Where does that number come from? Why not 650,000? Why not 250,000?

And when you use the term "up to," it could be 52 missed work days, couldn't it?

Amazing how the sheeple fall for government propaganda.
The EPA cannot explain how they arrived at ANY of those data points.

Even when sued, they cannot.

Because there IS no data.
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Old 11-16-2014, 07:00 PM
 
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We have undergone an energy renaissance under Obama, deal with it.
Those are great weasel words.

Now tell us what his precise actions have been to cause this mythical "renaissance".
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Old 11-16-2014, 08:17 PM
 
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Thank you liberals for turning a once great nation into a third world banana republic.
My children also thank you for destroying their economic future.

EPA regulations to increase natural gas prices 150 percent | The Daily Caller
Hopefully, after people get tired of the madness coming from the ones in office who suffer from the mental disorder commonly called liberalism, there will be a concerted effort to begin a foundation to study and research the possibility of a cure for this too common mental disorder and give it a proper scientific name. Others with certain types of mental disorders are not allowed to hold public office or own a firearm, we don't have to worry about the firearm issue because they do realize enough of reality to not mess with them in their altered state of mental capacity, but in their endeavor for self-preservation they also don't want normal people to have firearms either. For political correctness or what ever one wants to call it we have allowed these mentally deranged individuals to become involved in our government and to enter in legislation in this altered state of reality. Hopefully this practice will soon come to an end as this terrible disorder comes to light and people will realize these individuals need help and hopefully someday a cure will be found. Every foundation needs a poster child.. Nancy Pelosi would be a perfect example of how bad this terrible condition can become....
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Old 11-16-2014, 11:14 PM
 
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Those are great weasel words.

Now tell us what his precise actions have been to cause this mythical "renaissance".
I said under Obama. The O&G industry didn't do themselves any favors when the Deep Horizon, or the worst environmental disaster in the US occurred. Nevertheless, O&G exploration and production has soared under Obama. He's smarter than your ilk gives he credit for and he played the politics of appealing to the base with rhetoric while allowing states to do the drill baby drill thang.

But precisely the Obama administration approved two LNG terminals for gas export along with numerous refinery expansion and upgrades along the Gulf Coast. If Obama wanted to stall the O&G boom he could have but didn't. Quite frankly, I would imagine I have more money tied to the O&G boom and know more about it than most people here. Obama really didn't much to stall or prevent the boom, considering the Depp Horizon event.
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Old 11-16-2014, 11:15 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Hopefully, after people get tired of the madness coming from the ones in office who suffer from the mental disorder commonly called liberalism, there will be a concerted effort to begin a foundation to study and research the possibility of a cure for this too common mental disorder and give it a proper scientific name. Others with certain types of mental disorders are not allowed to hold public office or own a firearm, we don't have to worry about the firearm issue because they do realize enough of reality to not mess with them in their altered state of mental capacity, but in their endeavor for self-preservation they also don't want normal people to have firearms either. For political correctness or what ever one wants to call it we have allowed these mentally deranged individuals to become involved in our government and to enter in legislation in this altered state of reality. Hopefully this practice will soon come to an end as this terrible disorder comes to light and people will realize these individuals need help and hopefully someday a cure will be found. Every foundation needs a poster child.. Nancy Pelosi would be a perfect example of how bad this terrible condition can become....
Well if liberalism is a mental illness then that doesn't say much about those who become teabaggers.
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Old 11-17-2014, 02:35 AM
 
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The EPA cannot explain how they arrived at ANY of those data points.

Even when sued, they cannot.

Because there IS no data.

They use some very questionable data, from there they use a linear dose assessment. In a nut shell every particle of pollution is considered equally as dangerous regardless of exposure.

As an analogy if 20 people fell off a 20 foot ladder and 10 died. From there it is assumed that for every 400 feet a population falls 10 will die. If 40 fall off a 10 foot ladder 10 still die, 400 off a 1 foot ladder and 10 still die, when millions fall off a ladder that is fractions of an inch high 10 still die.

That's where those numbers come from. Suppose you have a guy eating chicken wings for breakfast lunch and dinner who washes it down a with case of beer while smoking cigarettes. When he dies of a heat attack a very small percentage of his death is attributed to pollution regardless of how much pollution he's been exposed too.
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Old 11-17-2014, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Hopefully, after people get tired of the madness coming from the ones in office who suffer from the mental disorder commonly called liberalism, there will be a concerted effort to begin a foundation to study and research the possibility of a cure for this too common mental disorder and give it a proper scientific name. Others with certain types of mental disorders are not allowed to hold public office or own a firearm, we don't have to worry about the firearm issue because they do realize enough of reality to not mess with them in their altered state of mental capacity, but in their endeavor for self-preservation they also don't want normal people to have firearms either. For political correctness or what ever one wants to call it we have allowed these mentally deranged individuals to become involved in our government and to enter in legislation in this altered state of reality. Hopefully this practice will soon come to an end as this terrible disorder comes to light and people will realize these individuals need help and hopefully someday a cure will be found. Every foundation needs a poster child.. Nancy Pelosi would be a perfect example of how bad this terrible condition can become....
Wow. Six years on and you guys still can't get over losing.
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Old 11-17-2014, 04:55 PM
 
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No need to even bother reading this. OP has track record of NOT reading his own links. They always disprove whatever title he writes. Don't waste your time!!!
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Old 11-19-2014, 03:06 AM
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All you have put forth is typical loony liberal emotional drivel.
All you have put forth is the typical right-wing self-centered, childish, callous disregard for those most vulnerable in society.
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