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Old 05-13-2014, 08:54 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by borregokid View Post
The town I live in has a lot of low income seniors. Many are on food stamps.
I'm going to call BS on that.

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"...about 18% of adults aged 18 to 29 have benefitted from this entitlement program [food stamps] compared with 8% of those 65 and older."
The politics and demographics of food stamp recipients | Pew Research Center

 
Old 05-13-2014, 08:55 AM
 
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This is new/news to me:

Supper is served at San Elizario High School - El Paso, Texas

After-school meals are now being served to high school students who are involved in after school activities, San Elizario Independent School District (Texas) officials said. Supper is offered at 4 p.m. and ends at 4:30 p.m. at the high school's cafeteria. The program, which began May 1, is funded through a reimbursement grant from the U.S. Department of Agriculture Child and Adult Care Food Program. Students who opt to stay for supper get a $3.21 meal for free through the grant reimbursement program.

Afterschool Programs | Food and Nutrition Service - Child and Adult Care Food Program (CACFP)
Child and Adult Care Food Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Keep in mind that this is going on while 200,000-300,000 newly poor, are signing up to get Food Stamps each month.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 08:56 AM
 
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You aren't making sense. First off the dinner thing has been thoroughly debunked as being about food stamps
No, it hasn't.

The students who receive free dinner at school come from families who also receive food stamps.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 08:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
But they all get breakfast and lunch as well.
So yes..these poor are double dipping..SNAP and free meals at school.
You don't know that. This is the lie because to participate in this program you don't have to qualify for a reduced or free lunch. This is for ALL students who stay after school and participate in after school programs not just those who get free or reduced lunches.

And again the income requirements to getting a reduced lunch are much higher than the income requirements for food stamps. So making this one to one connection is flat wrong.

Finally, you have yet to show how many students participate in the free breakfast program versus how many get the free lunch program versus how many receive food stamps. I know which number is substantially higher than the other two.
And you have to separate out those who are getting a free meal from those getting a reduced meal because again the income requirements for a reduced meal are a lot higher than those for food stamps.

You can't take a raw number and say this number of students participate in the lunch program, because that includes all students. And all students who participate don't come from families who would qualify for food stamps.

So some posters are making these huge uninformed assumptions based on your lack of knowledge or personal biases not factual information.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 09:00 AM
 
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No, it hasn't.

The students who receive free dinner at school come from families who also receive food stamps.
Yes it has. The program is open to anyone who participates in an after school program and it has nothing to do with families receiving food stamps that is just not the truth.

Again the income requirements for a reduced lunch those families don't qualify for food stamps. You are just making this huge and incorrect assumption.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 09:00 AM
 
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Originally Posted by katzpaw View Post
This is new/news to me:

Supper is served at San Elizario High School - El Paso, Texas

After-school meals are now being served to high school students who are involved in after school activities, San Elizario Independent School District (Texas) officials said. Supper is offered at 4 p.m. and ends at 4:30 p.m. at the high school's cafeteria. The program, which began May 1, is funded through a reimbursement grant from the U.S. Department of Agriculture Child and Adult Care Food Program. Students who opt to stay for supper get a $3.21 meal for free through the grant reimbursement program.

Afterschool Programs | Food and Nutrition Service - Child and Adult Care Food Program (CACFP)
Child and Adult Care Food Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, providing cheap school meals to poor HS kids is now an outrage, but tax subsidies for the oil giants is somehow no big deal.

Pull-EEZ...
 
Old 05-13-2014, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
You aren't making sense. First off the dinner thing has been thoroughly debunked as being about food stamps

That program is about feeding a small subset of students who are staying after school for extracurricular activities probably once or twice a week. So it has nothing to do with the food stamp program and students not eating dinner.


Also you fail to show how many students who come from households who receive food stamps actually participate in the free lunch program. You fail to show how many participate in the breakfast program.

You failed to show how frequently those students are NOT in school during the year which is substantial.


And for those students who come from households that receive food stamps and they get free or reduced lunch, Why the hell would they reduce benefits when this is the reality of the food stamp program.

SNAP benefits don’t last most participants the whole month. 90% of SNAP benefits are redeemed by the third week of the month, and 58% of food bank clients currently receiving SNAP benefits turn to food banks for assistance at least 6 months out of the year.[x]

SNAP (Food Stamps): Facts, Myths and Realities
it's a national program. This article is about one single school.
70% of all US school children qualify for free or reduced lunch.
Think about that number...70% of all school children are on free/reduced lunch.

Food in school is now the 2nd largest expense after SNAP..$11 billion in 2013.

Background & Analysis
 
Old 05-13-2014, 09:10 AM
 
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Every child who comes from a SNAP eligible household is automatically eligible for Free/Reduced lunch.

You are completely ignoring family size. I just posted the chart for the average family of 4, straight from the usda website.

You can see the average for every family size straight from the government, right here:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/defaul...NAPmonthly.pdf

The only person ignoring here is you. I've posted link straight from the federal government.
Yes, and? to your first part. Did I write that wasn't true? But the reality is not all students who get free or reduced lunches come from families that actually receive food stamps. This is your huge assumption that isn't backed up by facts.

First reduced lunch income requirements are significantly higher than those to collect food stamps. This is a fact.

A family of 4 can have an income of $44,135 and qualify for a reduced lunch. That same family income doesn't qualify for food stamps.

And not all income eligible families whose child receives a free or reduced lunch participates in the food stamp program.

You are making some huge an incorrect assumptions that are not backed up by the data.

I didn't ignore family size. If you all are asking why a family who is getting food stamps wouldn't have enough to last the full month and your examples are about families getting $600 or $500 dollars a month and the factual information is that most families receive about $275 per month that kind of kills your whole example.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/pd/19SNAPavg$HH.pdf

And finally I have to point out again, this story has NOTHING to do with food stamps at all. Since all students are able to participate who are in after school programs and again qualifying for a reduced lunch or free lunch doesn't mean a student's family qualifies for food stamps or participates in the food stamp program. This is fact.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
Yes, and? to your first part. Did I write that wasn't true? But the reality is not all students who get free or reduced lunches come from families that actually receive food stamps. This is your huge assumption that isn't backed up by facts.

First reduced lunch income requirements are significantly higher than those to collect food stamps. This is a fact.

A family of 4 can have an income of $44,135 and qualify for a reduced lunch. That same family income doesn't qualify for food stamps.

And not all income eligible families whose child receives a free or reduced lunch participates in the food stamp program.

You are making some huge an incorrect assumptions that are not backed up by the data.

I didn't ignore family size. If you all are asking why a family who is getting food stamps wouldn't have enough to last the full month and your examples are about families getting $600 or $500 dollars a month and the factual information is that most families receive about $275 per month that kind of kills your whole example.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/pd/19SNAPavg$HH.pdf

And finally I have to point out again, this story has NOTHING to do with food stamps at all. Since all students are able to participate who are in after school programs and again qualifying for a reduced lunch or free lunch doesn't mean a student's family qualifies for food stamps or participates in the food stamp program. This is fact.
It's highly likely the people in this town are on various government programs.
Look at the demographics.

The median age is 25.
The average family size is near 5.
50% of the residents live in poverty with median income for a family at $20K.
Only 50% of the adults have a HS diploma.
Over 1/2 of the the total households receive SNAP.

This is a border town. 98% Hispanic from Mexico.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Elizario,_Texas
 
Old 05-13-2014, 09:33 AM
 
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Exactly. The vast majority in your examples PAY for their school meals, which are almost always overpriced for what one gets. The only subsidization that occurs is for the free meal kids.

Brown bag it. Bring their meals from home. Tens if not hundreds of millions of school children and working adults, alike, do so.

How was that so hard for you to figure out?
Their schools are participating is the school lunch program and their lunches that all the students eat are subsidized by the federal government. Here is a link yet again


Through participation in the subsidized National School Lunch and Special Milk Programs, it is possible for hot lunches and milk to be served at a reasonable cost to students.

http://sandburg.d230.org/assets/2/24...t_Handbook.pdf

Notice it doesn't say just students who get free lunches. This subsidy allows the school lunches to be cheaper for ALLLLLLLLL students which means all students at that school no matter their families income is being subsidized by the federal government.

And that is just one school and it is not the only one.


Also there is this http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/defaul.../NAPs13-14.pdf
School Programs- Meal, Snack, and Milk payments to States and School Food Authorities

National School Lunch Program: Less than Less than 60% 60% or 60% or more Max rate Max rate
60% +6cents more +6cents +6cents
PAID 0.42 .28 .34 .30 .36 .36 .42






So that means that schools get reimbursed for students who paid for their lunches as well. So yes those students are getting subsidized as well.


Brown bag a meal for 10hrs? Are you serious? That makes no sense and isn't practical. That only works if students are provided with refrigerators and microwaves and stoves so they can reheat or prepare their meals. You are just getting goofy. It makes perfect sense for a school to provide meals to the small subset of students participating in after school activities usually once or twice a week and who may not have eaten for 5 or 6hrs.
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