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I don't think Eric Harris was a redneck. And Adam Lanza was definitely not one. In fact, the common factor in most of these shootings are males in their early 20's, raised in affluence, with some sort of mental disorder.
Many have said that affluence IS a mental disorder, including judges.
There is already a thread up about this subject and you seem to forget that a knife and a car were used as weapons....so no more cars and knifes for people who have the same believe as you have.
It is not about the gun but about failed mental health care!
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Originally Posted by BBMW
As most people know by now, there was mass shooting in Isla Vista, CA. I'm sure the anti-gun crowd is going to use this as part of a call for stricter gun laws. However, one of the big take aways from this event were how useless the gun laws were in preventing the attack.
As stated in the article below, CA has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, and all the weapons used were bought in CA.
One of the big bugaboos of antis is that people buy guns in the more free states and bring them to the higher gun control states to commit crimes. This was not the case here.
CA has stricter/more intrusive laws than most of the country with regard to mental health issues and guns. In point of fact CA has most of the laws that the antis want to impose on the entire country. And they failed miserably.
This just shows the ultimate futility of gun control.
During shooting rampages, they immediately run to the aid of the NRA rather than the actual victims of the tragedy.
It's heartless and quite terrifying.
Crazy liberals. After shooting rampaged caused by crazy young men raised in afflience, they immediately called for getting rid of guns, instead of blaming the true culprit.
It is not about the gun but about failed mental health care!
how does a system fail that isnt even put to proper use? do we just start locking up people that might show signs of mental instability? even if that is premature? where do we draw the line before we commit someone to a mental facility? what happens when someone is wrongly committed to such a facility?
That a mentally ill person with a long history of being mentally ill was able to legally buy a gun proves we really NEED change our laws so that a person has to prove they aren't mentally ill before we let them have a gun.
Erm you are aware that Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, Germany are classified as permissive gun ownership countries...
Here's some per capita gun ownerships to be fair (per 100 citizens from the UN Small Arms Survey)...
US 89.0
Switzerland 45.7
Finland 45.3
Sweden 31.6
Norway 31.3
France 31.2
Austria 30.4
Germany 30.3
Iceland 30.3
Belgium 17.2
Czech Republic 16.3
Luxembourg 15.3
Turkey 12.5
Denmark 12.0
Italy 11.9
Spain 10.4
UK 6.2
Japan 6.0
So we have Austria (bottom) with 30/100, Norway (Second Bottom) 31.3/100, Luxembourg 15.3/100, Sweden 31.6/100, Germany 30.3/100, Switzerland 45.7/100, Iceland 30.3/100, Czech Republic 16.3 all lower than Japan 6.0/100.
The UK (the gold standard) has a higher homicide rate than everyone on that list but Belgium France, Finland and Turkey.
Turkey has lower gun ownership numbers than everyone but Denmark, Italy, Spain, UK and Japan but has the same homicide rate as the US.
There is Zero correlation between national homicide rates and rates of public gun ownership.
Them there are the facts, if gun ownership was the cause of homicides, then the number of per capita homicides would be ordered as the list I provided, it's not, indeed most of the highest gun owning countries per capita are lower in per capita homicides than Japan.
Moreover the Guardian article claims the converse (just like you), if guns were the cause of homicide then the US would be world #1, Japan would probably be the least murderous country in the world, however Austria has more guns and less homicide, Switzerland has over 7.5 times more guns than Japan and 1 less death per million.
The police came to his home, back in April, to question him about his online rants and talk of murder and suicide. He wrote how he thought his plan was finished when the officers showed up. THEY BLEW IT! His entire family knew he was mentally unstable yet did nothing about it.
Even the CNN experts are claiming that gun control would have done nothing to stop Rodger.
That a mentally ill person with a long history of being mentally ill was able to legally buy a gun proves we really NEED change our laws so that a person has to prove they aren't mentally ill before we let them have a gun.
if he truly had a long history of mental illness, that is one thing, especially if it was documented. he should never have been allowed to buy a firearm and is should have shown up in a background check.
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