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Old 06-05-2014, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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If we wanted to WIN at any expense and disregarding public opinion we would have won already.





This is when your lack of education bites you in the ass. Germans would never leave occupied Poland, if they had to they would just kill each and every civilian but would not leave, they wanted the land, with or without the people.




You think anybody would fight for that? You're just a tough talking mythomaniac lol
So they should have just jumped on the trains and taken a shower?

 
Old 06-05-2014, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Farther more it would make any sense for a government of the U.S. that consist of people who live in the U.S. to nuke their own homes. What power would that have after destroying/contaminating their own homes?
Valid point when the state strips you of your unalienable rights, your wealth, your property, and you life for just being in a city they claim to be under "terrorist" control, I mean what reason do you have to have any loyalty to the state when they are that blood thirsty and vindictive?
 
Old 06-05-2014, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Uh, apparently you don't know what the terms "rate" and "per capita" mean. The numbers are a straight comparison, try again.

Serbia reduced murders by DOUBLE the amount that Britain did, in the same time frame, while having the 2nd highest ownership rate.

I don't care what the laws say, that doesn't matter in the discussion of "do guns = crime", the numbers of guns in the country is what matters. And by using your own line of logic, I have conclusively proven that no, more guns do not equal more crime.
So much win....
 
Old 06-05-2014, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Ah, so you think that per capita rate allows you to compare countries like 7 million big Serbia with 60 million big the UK.




In 1997 when the UK banned guns there was still at war. Lol check your facts.




There we go: new definition of militant ignorance lol
In short your opinions dont stand up to basic facts and you must resort to personal attacks, got it. Troll On.
 
Old 06-05-2014, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA/Seattle, WA
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Remember this the next time the gun nuts post a thread to only highlight when guns are used defensively. There is over an order of magnitude more cases of criminal gun use.



http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2014...88400000&_r=2&

That's 11,268 people killed or injured vs just 331 instances of defensive gun use in the whole damn country. It's a completely different scale.
Not this again
 
Old 06-06-2014, 01:18 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Ah, so you think that per capita rate allows you to compare countries like 7 million big Serbia with 60 million big the UK.
You know...

The US has 320 million people in it, the UK has a mere 60 million in it. Why are these comparable (according to you) but not Serbia and the UK? While it also has only 7M people it's population density is the same as Spain, and not that far from France (around 10 people/sq mile lower). Technically Serbia is by population closer to the UK than the UK is to the US, 53 million difference between Serbia and the UK, and 260 million difference between the US and the UK.

I mean in principle comparing per capita figures is the same, which is why they're used, if you're claiming that they're not all the same, then where is your evidence that the UK and US are more comparable than the UK and Serbia, or the US and Serbia? Is it that Serbia is not industrialized (like Russia was not, which is amusing. US feared the Soviets for 50 odd years, wonder why when it wasn't even an industrialized nation, so it could not possibly have developed nuclear weapons on it's own, did we sell them that technology in the 50's or something...?)

If that's an issue then why isn't it an issue that the UK drives on the left and not the right? Perhaps that's why they have lower homicide rates (it has correlation with Australia, New Zealand, and Japan who all also have low homicide rates and all drive on the left).

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In 1997 when the UK banned guns there was still at war. Lol check your facts.
There's been a war going on at all times since the end of WW2 (Korea is still technically at war, it's just under a ceasefire agreement), it only affects those that are taking part in it.

Indeed fact checking is critical, Serbia itself was mostly unaffected by the Yugoslav civil war, it was stable and under rule of a parliamentary republican government. It's actions affected Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and Kosovo who were trying to gain independence (and some did), but much like the Ukraine and Russia now, there was no "war" going on in Serbia in the 90's, like there is no war going on in Russia.
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Old 06-06-2014, 03:18 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Do you realize than before guns were banned in the UK their homicide rate was 25% higher and that's exactly why the ban was put in?
Do you realize that Serbia has less people than London?
Do you realize that Swiss own guns but can't own bullets for these guns?

Go read on gun laws in Europę, there guns are mostly for hunting and sports. Concealed carry is unheard off.

Overview of gun laws by nation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Overview of gun laws by nation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Overview of gun laws by nation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

please don't list anything from Wikipedia, as it is just info from a person putting it in there. how about some real information?
 
Old 06-06-2014, 03:20 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Ah, so you think that per capita rate allows you to compare countries like 7 million big Serbia with 60 million big the UK.




In 1997 when the UK banned guns there was still at war. Lol check your facts.




There we go: new definition of militant ignorance lol


Europe is a different culture. if you wish to be a European, please move there and become a English subject again. I have no desire to give up anymore of my freedoms.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 06:48 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Europe is a different culture. if you wish to be a European, please move there and become a English subject again. I have no desire to give up anymore of my freedoms.


! Two thumbs up my friend! So sick of the b-b-but in Europe BS! This ain't f***n' Europe, and there is a reason why people left there to come here!
 
Old 06-06-2014, 08:56 AM
 
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! Two thumbs up my friend! So sick of the b-b-but in Europe BS! This ain't f***n' Europe, and there is a reason why people left there to come here!
They are delusional anyway. Do they think Europe doesn't have guns? A lot of the countries in Europe float at around 30% gun ownership, and those countries have lower murder rates than Britain.

Anti-gun people, it doesn't matter how tough gun laws are, stop holding up countries with over 30 guns per 100 people as "gun-free", they are not.
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