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Old 09-06-2014, 06:35 PM
 
Location: it depends
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Are you saying the floor sweeper is not human and doesnt deserve a better life?
Of course the sweeper is human. This means that he is perfectly capable of waking up and smelling the coffee, and realizing that he must figure out how to become more valuable to the rest of society. It is you who would treat the sweeper like some pathetic pet who relies on our charity for its life.

I'll give you this: we can't let the sweeper starve or freeze, that is why there is welfare.
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Old 09-06-2014, 06:36 PM
 
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Someday the floor sweeper will be replaced by a (not human) robot.
Someday we all be replaced by robots and artificial intelligence but does that mean that we should just crawl under a rock and die?

Every worker deserve a decent pay and decent life.
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Old 09-06-2014, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Lewes, Delaware
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It can't be a two way street, on one hand you have the 47% that's gets attacked for not paying income taxes even though a lot of them have jobs, on the other hand the food stamp recipients get attacked for collecting food stamps, and a lot of those people work as well.
Personally I'd rather have more people pay taxes and get off of food stamps so if that means low skilled workers get significant raises, so be it. Gas prices skyrocketed years ago, refinery workers didn't receive huge raises, (CEO's did) but the prices went up anyway. If it costs me $10.00 for a number 2 at McDonalds, so be it.
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Old 09-06-2014, 06:52 PM
 
Location: it depends
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It can't be a two way street, on one hand you have the 47% that's gets attacked for not paying income taxes even though a lot of them have jobs, on the other hand the food stamp recipients get attacked for collecting food stamps, and a lot of those people work as well.
Personally I'd rather have more people pay taxes and get off of food stamps so if that means low skilled workers get significant raises, so be it. Gas prices skyrocketed years ago, refinery workers didn't receive huge raises, (CEO's did) but the prices went up anyway. If it costs me $10.00 for a number 2 at McDonalds, so be it.
Sheesh. We spend about 95% of our incomes. If a meal at McDonalds goes to $10, you will NOT be buying as much stuff other places. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, nor can you pay double at McDonalds without cutting back somewhere else.

People who are not sufficiently valuable to the rest of society who therefore need help in the form of food stamps and Obamacare and whatever else are merely collecting on the good will of a civil society. It would be destructive of our general prosperity to take this social obligation and lard it onto the employers of the low-skilled. These employers are already paying market value for the labor they purchase on mutually agreeable terms from willing sellers. It takes really unique reasoning to conclude that employers need to be further abused.
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Old 09-06-2014, 06:53 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Personally I'd rather have more people pay taxes and get off of food stamps so if that means low skilled workers get significant raises, so be it.
Why should anyone be paid more than their labor is worth?
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Old 09-06-2014, 06:57 PM
 
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Why should anyone be paid more than their labor is worth?
Because they are hardworking people who vote for democrats!
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Old 09-06-2014, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Sheesh. We spend about 95% of our incomes. If a meal at McDonalds goes to $10, you will NOT be buying as much stuff other places. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, nor can you pay double at McDonalds without cutting back somewhere else.

People who are not sufficiently valuable to the rest of society who therefore need help in the form of food stamps and Obamacare and whatever else are merely collecting on the good will of a civil society. It would be destructive of our general prosperity to take this social obligation and lard it onto the employers of the low-skilled. These employers are already paying market value for the labor they purchase on mutually agreeable terms from willing sellers. It takes really unique reasoning to conclude that employers need to be further abused.
+1

Reality is those employers are already being forced to pay more than some of their workers are worth. People need to remember that we are talking about unskilled and usually uneducated people here. People who haven't done enough to make themselves marketable that they can actually find a decent paying job. Forcing employers to pay them more than they are worth would be abuse of the employer. They should get their help from the government.
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Old 09-06-2014, 06:58 PM
 
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Not really. The tarriff applies to certain van types and trucks.
Regular consumer trucks are not covered.

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Explain.

The German auto makers out sold the Americans and you tried to say that it was because of tariffs, but the American companies have European locations.
No I didnt. I said Germany imposes 10% tarrifs that help protect it's manufacturing base.

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No I didn't. You brought the tariffs into the conversation, but the auto makers have manufacturing plants in the EU and US, so the tariff isn't what is helping German automakers.
if it did nothing they wouldn't have them.

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Mmmhmm. Tell me, what does a union worker have to do with sales again?
When as in the past a union wouldn't allow a company to lay off idle workers those costs increase the price to manufacture cars.

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Are you talking about the union that was approved at the VW plant?
Read a little closer. All this is is a small percentage of workers joining a Union that has no say in the running of the plant. These articles are interesting spins on their loss at the ballot box but no unions have been enacted at the plant.
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Old 09-06-2014, 07:01 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Because they are hardworking people who vote for democrats!
You forgot the sarcasm tag.
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Old 09-06-2014, 07:03 PM
 
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You forgot the sarcasm tag.
Can't find it on my phone. :-(
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