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Old 09-22-2014, 02:12 PM
 
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Oh, and here is a graph of doctors wages in this article.

Shows how they lagged for a number of years and then lately have been higher than inflation which is kinda what happens during cycles.

However, as someone that has worked professionally with medical inflation it was quite high even back when doctor wages were flat or even decreasing. Or do you want to claim that the high medical inflation for 7 years or so during the Bush administration years were caused by doctors wages that were flat or even decreasing?

Is Doctors' Income the cause of healthcare inflation?
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Old 09-22-2014, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Why do liberals have such a difficult time understanding the difference between merit/market based increases and government mandated/unearned increases?
Apparently they don't.

My salary was not established by any government. If I suck, I don't get a wage increase or worse get fired.
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Old 09-22-2014, 02:17 PM
 
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For the record, I do not oppose minimum wage increases but it's nonsense to increase them nationally when the cost of living across the US is non-homogenous. $15/hour would MURDER small businesses in low cost areas while in places like NYC or San Fran it's a more reasonable argument.

Also, the CBO under the Obama administration has stated that it will cost jobs.
That's fact, not some partisan garbage claim from some Rush Limbaugh type.
If you want to explain why the CBO is wrong, go for it.
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Old 09-22-2014, 02:22 PM
 
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Oh, and here is a graph of doctors wages in this article.

Shows how they lagged for a number of years and then lately have been higher than inflation which is kinda what happens during cycles.

However, as someone that has worked professionally with medical inflation it was quite high even back when doctor wages were flat or even decreasing. Or do you want to claim that the high medical inflation for 7 years or so during the Bush administration years were caused by doctors wages that were flat or even decreasing?

Is Doctors' Income the cause of healthcare inflation?
It doesn't matter. They still get premium pay. How about allowing foreign doctors in to compete with domestic ones? You think the AMA would allow that?#Protectionism
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Old 09-22-2014, 02:32 PM
 
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Apparently they don't.

My salary was not established by any government. If I suck, I don't get a wage increase or worse get fired.
You say that, but it's not true. All American wages are established by government protectionism. If open borders were to be implemented, equilibrium will set in.
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Old 09-22-2014, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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How about allowing foreign doctors in to compete with domestic ones? You think the AMA would allow that?#Protectionism
They already do, and have been for a long time.

The AMA can do nothing to stop it.

Medical tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 09-22-2014, 03:01 PM
 
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They already do, and have been for a long time.

The AMA can do nothing to stop it.

Medical tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What does medical tourism have to do with this? I'm referring to domestic competition.
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Old 09-22-2014, 07:47 PM
 
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A prime example is the auto industry.

They big 3 sat on the laurels for years and let the Japan's take over the industy. But, hey, all those union workers still got raises even though sales were going through the basement and the cars were junk.


Yes, you illustrate my point perfectly.

There is now a very large number of countries that do quality manufacturing for a LOT less than the USA.

If EVERY state was right-to-work..........as in, a employee/potential employee cannot be FORCED to join a union as a condition of employment/continued employment.............this country could once again become competitive in the global manufacturing markets.
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Old 09-22-2014, 09:23 PM
 
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Yes, you illustrate my point perfectly.

There is now a very large number of countries that do quality manufacturing for a LOT less than the USA.

If EVERY state was right-to-work..........as in, a employee/potential employee cannot be FORCED to join a union as a condition of employment/continued employment.............this country could once again become competitive in the global manufacturing markets.
I have to respectively disagree with your statement. If what you said was correct then the states where right to work is in effect we should see increased manufacturing in those states. That is not the reality. I see what is created is working families that are more likely to rely on food stamps and other social programs to make ends meet. In service related jobs. As a supervisor that hired at $12.00 and $14.00 per/h that was my experience.
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Old 09-22-2014, 11:41 PM
 
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I have to respectively disagree with your statement. If what you said was correct then the states where right to work is in effect we should see increased manufacturing in those states. That is not the reality. I see what is created is working families that are more likely to rely on food stamps and other social programs to make ends meet. In service related jobs. As a supervisor that hired at $12.00 and $14.00 per/h that was my experience.



Ok, what is your solution....more unions to scare away businesses!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We could, in theory, have a thriving and growing steel industry in the USA and many other well paying jobs. Just keep away the union-thug demands and it could happen.

There is really no such thing as a "union shop".......it is more accurately termed "forced union membership shop"


Guess what, it is a viciously competitive task to attract and maintain decent jobs in this global business environment..........a company and its employees/potential employees should never be forced to give into union thuggery.

As for some broke dolt who starts a family.....wow, does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that is not a good idea.
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