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Old 09-25-2014, 02:32 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88 View Post
I think it shows that a society took a wrong turn somewhere along the line, and seriously have their priorities mixed up.

People are going to screw each other no matter what. Since abstinence is not always a reality, I'd rather them have the means to do so responsibly, than running around plopping out kids with no means to support them. Should condoms be free? Hell no! They're not expensive. Secondly, I guess I'd rather people be screwing each other (consensually of course) than killing each other!
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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People are going to screw each other no matter what. Since abstinence is not always a reality, I'd rather them have the means to do so responsibly, than running around plopping out kids with no means to support them. Should condoms be free? Hell no! They're not expensive. Secondly, I guess I'd rather people be screwing each other (consensually of course) than killing each other!
I agree with you on this, and I think you and I have had this discussion before. I agree it's essential to educate the youth and to have somewhat easy and inexpensive access to protection if they need it. We can preach abstinence all we want but the simple truth is, it's not always going to work.

However, society can take one of two different approaches to this matter. They can:

1.) treat sex with the seriousness it warrants and have a serious discussion with youth about the potential risks and consequences of casual sex, or....

2.) hand little Johnny a condom, give him a pat on the back and tell him, "go make me proud"

I'd say society is leaning towards option number 2. Everything is sexualized anymore. In other words, there's a difference between accepting the reality that things like promiscuity and underage sex exists, and outright promoting it. Current social norms promote it more than they discourage it, to the detriment of society imo.
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Old 09-25-2014, 04:25 PM
 
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Why not take the responsible and sensible approach of encouraging abstinence and teaching kids that there are consequences to their actions? Why does this society insist on normalizing, moralizing, and promoting promiscuity?

Perhaps instead of encouraging people not to drink and drive, we should just hand out free breathalyzers.

Same thing.
I agree with this. I once had a cousin who wanted to put her daughter on birth control before she got the "urge". My sentiments were that she was teaching her daughter that sex before marriage was A-ok and that it was like handing the keys to the car to her even though she didn't have a licence to drive.
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Old 09-25-2014, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Avignon, France
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Or hand out free booze. While we are at it we should hand out cigarettes instead of telling them not to smoke. But yep, am tired of how society glorifies teen sex.

Kids are going to get together and have sex... While I do agree that some do it too early I am still of the opinion that birth control should be easily available to these youngsters....as well as abstinence education programs. Presenting two options, either or could cut teenage pregnancy, STD's, and abortion.
People are constantly told that they shouldn't smoke or drink to excess, yet we still see tons of people who still smoke and drink... How's that working out?
I also wonder what these people who are against handing out B/C feel about teenage pregnancy, STD's and abortion?
While we may not be able to stop kids from having sex, we can at least try and minimize the fallout from same.
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Old 09-25-2014, 04:39 PM
 
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Well that's the problem, isn't it? Some, not all, aren't thinking. They ARE immature. Biology will trump that, because the urge is there but maturity has not caught up to the urge. Don't get me wrong, I'm actually pretty conservative when it comes to teens and sex. I believe it's healthier physically and emotionally for them to wait, but it's often not realistic.
It would be more realistic if sex weren't promoted so much and made acceptable just as long as you have the "urge". Parents need to impress that upon their kids and society as a whole also. Welcome to the new progressive mindset which makes light of common sense and yes morality about this issue.
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Old 09-25-2014, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Avignon, France
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It would be more realistic if sex weren't promoted so much and made acceptable just as long as you have the "urge". Parents need to impress that upon their kids and society as a whole also. Welcome to the new progressive mindset which makes light of common sense and yes morality about this issue.
Yes.. Welcome to it! Obviously your suggestion would be great, but in the absence of this actually working should we not try and protect our kids the best way possible instead of letting our own personal opinions get in our way?
I don't think you should be having sex so I don't want to encourage you by supplying preventative measures?
If you can't play by my rules.. I am taking my ball and going home!
Actually it would be more " realistic " if we realize that times have changed and we need to do what ever we can to protect our kids, regardless of our own personal prejudice.

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Old 09-25-2014, 05:19 PM
 
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Yes.. Welcome to it! Obviously your suggestion would be great, but in the absence of this actually working should we not try and protect our kids the best way possible instead of letting our own personal opinions get in our way?
I don't think you should be having sex so I don't want to encourage you by supplying preventative measures?
If you can't play by my rules.. I am taking my ball and going home!
Actually it would be more " realistic " if we realize that times have changed and we need to do what ever we can to protect our kids, regardless of our own personal prejudice.
What does it say about a parent who would hand their young kids a license to have sex? Because essentially that is what it is by supplying them with birth control methods. It's like "have fun but don't get caught and pay the consequences". I stand by what I said. If you don't agree then so be it. We shouldn't be making it easier for our kids to have sex and essentially condoning it, IMO. Prejudice has nothing to do with it. It's about teaching kids right from wrong and making them take responsibility for their actions. Protecting them from taking responsibility by removing the consequences of their actions is what you are actually promoting. What kind of lesson in life is that?
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Old 09-25-2014, 05:24 PM
 
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There is something to consider.

1) The unmarried shouldn't be having sex at all. If you aren't married, wait until you're married.
2) Even if you gave out the condoms, you can't guarantee said persons will use them.
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Old 09-25-2014, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I think they should give them coupons for discount murders at Planned Parenthood.

A constructive debate on how to prevent teenage pregnancy and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, derailed by an anti-choice extremist...........again!

Do you have anything constructive to bring to the table...?
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Old 09-25-2014, 05:34 PM
 
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What does it say about a parent who would hand their young kids a license to have sex? Because essentially that is what it is by supplying them with birth control methods. It's like "have fun but don't get caught and pay the consequences". I stand by what I said. If you don't agree then so be it. We shouldn't be making it easier for our kids to have sex and essentially condoning it, IMO. Prejudice has nothing to do with it. It's about teaching kids right from wrong and making them take responsibility for their actions. Protecting them from taking responsibility by removing the consequences of their actions is what you are actually promoting. What kind of lesson in life is that?
Teens already have sex. The only thing they need is a place and that isn't all that difficult, but it's definitely the most difficult part. Making condoms more difficult to access just reduces the odds that a condom will be used, not the frequency at which teens have sex.
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