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Old 11-02-2014, 04:43 PM
 
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This sums it up as well as anything.

Now she's promising "not to go into town."
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Old 11-02-2014, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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I've been meaning to post this since it came out on NPR:

Why It's OK To Worry About Ebola, And What's Truly Scary : Shots - Health News : NPR
"Americans are having a failure of imagination – failing to imagine that the most serious Ebola threat to our country is not in Dallas, not in our country, not even on our borders. It is on the borders of other countries that lack our ability to extinguish sparks...."—Lanard & Sandman

I blame the media for this. The media, controlled as always, has not even been reporting in-depth what is going on currently in the Ebola-stricken countries. They offer a few quick snippets and a few feeble reports on how U.S. hospitals are (finally) getting prepared. If the media were to report the real crisis in those countries, perhaps more of us would sit up and take notice.
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Old 11-02-2014, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I agree science is the best we humans can come up with. I'm not saying science is bad and we shouldn't use it in the case of Ebola. All I'm saying is science is far from perfect, it's an art/guessing game, constantly open to revision and to me this should be given great respect on how future/current policy is made on Ebola.

Case and point:

Yahoo!

"On average, 12 new cases a day were seen in the rural areas surrounding Freetown in late October, compared with 1.3 cases in early September, the report said, a nine fold increase. Transmission was also increasing rapidly in the capital Freetown, with the average number of daily cases six times higher than two months ago."


A new strain making it spread easier/faster? Something has changed and in a short period of time.

And for those trusting "science" that on this board keep telling us only a "fraction" have died from it in Africa, here's another view from the world of "science":

"Almost 5,000 people have been killed by the virus, according to data from the World Health Organization, which has recorded more than 13,000 cases but admits the real number of infections and deaths could be much higher."


Respecting science, but respecting that change is often right around the corner, should all be equally respected. And also respect the fact that sometimes science is flat out wrong. And certainly open to interpretation within the field. We are guessing people....just in an educated kind-of way.
Yes the numbers in western Africa are probably higher with those conditions.I don't think anything has changed, it's actually been an accomplishment that they have contained the disease in these poor countries for decades it's just that it expanded beyond their control. No hospitals, nurses, uneducated, customs it was just a matter of time, why is transmission increase a surprise.

Health care amounts to putting people they suspect in isolation assuming they even have a building, a few doctors and nurses to treat and monitor thousands of people, no surprise. Compare that to health care systems in civilized countries where the survival rate is close to 100%.

Good article from the Times, 700 aid workers is anemic by the way in the face of this disease. I guess that is what raises the blood pressure for these volunteers when we overreact and at the same time make matters worse not only for these countries but for stopping the spread.

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Doctors Without Borders has sent 700 doctors and aid workers from around the world to Ebola-stricken countries. Of those, 270 are currently working there. Only three have contracted Ebola: a doctor from
Norway, another from France, and now, an American
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...k-qa.html?_r=0
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Old 11-02-2014, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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One of the docs I work with is heading over...when he gets back we will take him whiskey, meatloaf and smiles. He just loves meatloaf...

....and whiskey
Just don't let him cough or sneeze on you...within 21 days.
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Old 11-02-2014, 06:28 PM
 
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Old 11-02-2014, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Um hello?

Austrailia just recently Banned flights as well.
your comment about N korea as an example is MOOT.

and also
"US shut down flights of non US carriers"
Australia, like the US, has no direct/ non stop flights to/ from the affected countries.

Australia did not ban any flights.

Australia put a temporary hold on issuing new visas to nationals of the affected countries. Australia will honor all previously issued visas.

Australia, like the US, maintains a visa waiver program with many countries. Nurse Hickox could have chosen to fly from Europe to Australia for some R&R, instead of returning home.

Duncan arrived in the US on a United Airline flight from Brussels.
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Old 11-02-2014, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Australia, like the US, has no direct/ non stop flights to/ from the affected countries.

Australia did not ban any flights.

Australia put a temporary hold on issuing new visas to nationals of the affected countries. Australia will honor all previously issued visas.

Australia, like the US, maintains a visa waiver program with many countries. Nurse Hickox could have chosen to fly from Europe to Australia for some R&R, instead of returning home.

Duncan arrived in the US on a United Airline flight from Brussels.
With, presumably, a Liberian passport.
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Old 11-02-2014, 08:38 PM
 
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With, presumably, a Liberian passport.
And a tourist visa.
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Old 11-02-2014, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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And a tourist visa.
Obtained well before he was exposed to Ebola.
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Old 11-02-2014, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Obtained well before he was exposed to Ebola.
Yes, but the point was being able to tell if a person was traveling from one of the affected countries. With both a Liberian passport and a tourist visa, it was easy to figure out Duncan had come from Liberia even though, as was pointed out, he traveled via Brussels to get to the US.
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