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Old 11-03-2014, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Good point!

I don't know if I made the point here, but the thing some people are missing concerning this, is what policies will our doctors and nurses who will be working with Ebola infected patients here in the US, abide by. Are we going to quarantine all of them too?

Are we going to tell our nurses to lock themselves up at home for 21 days after treating a patient admitted to their hospital?

We need to decide a policy standard for the medical community before an actual out break occurs, not as one occurs, nor making a dozen changes within as many weeks as to what public protocols, policies and procedures we will decide must be adhered to and enforced.
I think most people and professionals would agree with you. It's the professionalism by which it is administered. You're not talking about poorly educated palate breakers here. If you treat them with courtesy and respect the conversations I believe will be productive.
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Old 11-03-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Default Interesting tidbits from article about possible case in North Carolina...

Most importantly, the guy tested negative:

Liberian Traveler At Duke Hospital Shows Preliminary Negative Result For Ebola - Forbes

But apparently the speech police are out in force:


"Dr. Wos seemed thrown off by a question about how the patient got to North Carolina from Newark. When she responded that it was a commercial bus, an unnamed official abruptly called the press conference to a close.

Before being interrupted, Dr. Wos said, “This person did not have symptoms on bus. This person has not been diagnosed with any specific condition yet.”"

...eh, don't ask how this follow got from Newark to North Carolina.

and this:


"The Associated Press and other press outlets have agreed not to report on suspected cases of Ebola in the United States until a positive viral RNA test is completed."

So the government apparently asked the media not to report suspected cases - and some have helpfully agreed!
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Old 11-03-2014, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Most importantly, the guy tested negative:

Liberian Traveler At Duke Hospital Shows Preliminary Negative Result For Ebola - Forbes

But apparently the speech police are out in force:


"Dr. Wos seemed thrown off by a question about how the patient got to North Carolina from Newark. When she responded that it was a commercial bus, an unnamed official abruptly called the press conference to a close.

Before being interrupted, Dr. Wos said, “This person did not have symptoms on bus. This person has not been diagnosed with any specific condition yet.”"

...eh, don't ask how this follow got from Newark to North Carolina.

and this:


"The Associated Press and other press outlets have agreed not to report on suspected cases of Ebola in the United States until a positive viral RNA test is completed."

So the government apparently asked the media not to report suspected cases - and some have helpfully agreed!
While I have strongly supported the Maine nurse's struggle against political overreach with the quarantine, I do draw the line with tourism. Tourists from the affected areas need to be kept out - period. They are not US citizens so that have no right to be here and we can not be certain of their skills or diligence in monitoring themselves as we can with health professionals. No more visas, no more tourists.
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Old 11-03-2014, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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While I have strongly supported the Maine nurse's struggle against political overreach with the quarantine, I do draw the line with tourism. Tourists from the affected areas need to be kept out - period. They are not US citizens so that have no right to be here and we can not be certain of their skills or diligence in monitoring themselves as we can with health professionals. No more visas, no more tourists.
That would be reasonable...and smart.
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Old 11-03-2014, 11:23 AM
 
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While I have strongly supported the Maine nurse's struggle against political overreach with the quarantine, I do draw the line with tourism. Tourists from the affected areas need to be kept out - period. They are not US citizens so that have no right to be here and we can not be certain of their skills or diligence in monitoring themselves as we can with health professionals. No more visas, no more tourists.
The professionals seem to carry their own brand of incompetence with them, that rivals that of the "tourists".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG9eezhU2fI

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Old 11-03-2014, 02:31 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Default According to this, the state of Pennsylvania is monitoring

135 people for ebola:

Pa Monitoring 30 More People for Ebola - WeAreCentralPA.com - your one stop community web portal for all your Central Pennsylvania News, Sports and Weather, powered by WTAJ Your News Leader

All travelers from ebola afflicted countries in West Africa.

One state. I wonder how many nationally are being monitored?
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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The professionals seem to carry their own brand of incompetence with them, that rivals that of the "tourists".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG9eezhU2fI
His point about how it is being stated that banning travel would seriously harm the West African economy is right on, the notion is absurd. No one has explained exactly how that harm would occur. Just how many businessmen/women from W Africa must fly to the U.S. or elsewhere to keep that economy afloat? We don't have technology like teleconferencing?
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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I wonder how many nationally are being monitored?
The "news" isn't too forthcoming with (or even perhaps knowledgable about) reports on that, for some odd reason....

ETA: Missed this, MUTGR. I suspected as much. Associated Press (AP) is the mouthpiece of the WH. What is your link if I may ask?

"The Associated Press and other press outlets have agreed not to report on suspected cases of Ebola in the United States until a positive viral RNA test is completed."

So the government apparently asked the media not to report suspected cases - and some have helpfully agreed!"
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:40 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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The "news" isn't too forthcoming with (or even perhaps knowledgeable about) reports on that, for some odd reason....
the other link I posted earlier from the Forbes article noted that the AP and many other news outlets have agreed not to report suspected cases unless they test positive. While I suppose one can make the case that is prudent to curtail panic, if that figure for PA is correct, there are a heck of a lot of people in the US right now who have traveled in from West Africa being monitored. I hope all these experts have their science right on this.
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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the other link I posted earlier from the Forbes article noted that the AP and many other news outlets have agreed not to report suspected cases unless they test positive. While I suppose one can make the case that is prudent to curtail panic, if that figure for PA is correct, there are a heck of a lot of people in the US right now who have traveled in from West Africa being monitored. I hope all these experts have their science right on this.
Based on various news sources, there are about 100-150 people per day traveling to the United States from the Ebola affected areas.
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