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Old 10-25-2014, 06:35 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Are you seriously saying no pork from the left? No votes to go to war from the Dems? No Dems had their hands in the Banking fiasco? Frank and Doud were GOP? Bailout, and stimulus was all GOP? Okay believe what you like.
There's pork on both sides. But tax cuts to corporations and the rich, and corporate welfare, cause the republicans to create bigger deficits and debt growth.

Here's GW Bush giving the richest Americans $1.5 trillion dollars in tax cuts.
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis

Here' GW Bush giving large corporations $1.2 trillion dollars in federal subsidies.
RealClearMarkets - Do Crony Handouts Have a Stranglehold On the GOP?

Here's Dick Cheney handing oil companies billions and billions of dollars.
Big Oil's Influence in Washington . NOW | PBS


Democrats do the opposite.
Buffett Rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Republicans even go as far to say "democrats punish the rich." You will never see a democrat handing the rich and corporations trillions of dollars like the republicans do.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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Adams was also a one term President, and not a very good one at that. Adams was a staunch federalist who kept Washington's cabinet, and then refused to work with them - particularly his Secretary of State, Thomas Jefferson, who Adams beat in 1796 by just 3 Electoral College votes.

Furthermore, the quote you cited comes from a letter Adams wrote to Jonathan Jackson on October 2, 1780. Three years before the Revolutionary War ended, seven years before the US Constitution was even drafted, and nine years before the US existed.
Still doesn't take away from how his words are relevant to our current political mess and how we have a populace of "team" players in politics like it's some kind of sporting event/my side is better than yours.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Increase the deficit like they have done for the past 50 years.
Probably, but at a tiny fraction of the rate Obama and the dems have done it but why would you have a problem with increased spending? The way you libs howled and shut down the government at even a reduction in the increase of spending last year you should be jumping for joy at GOP increased spending. Or is it only good when YOU do it?
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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I think there is more of a chance Obama becomes more compromising if the GOP wins the senate.

He will have to start using vetoes and Republicans then may move to the middle to get something passed - and then Obama move to the middle too.
That's what Clinton did, is Obama man enough to actually compromise for the good of the country? I don't think so. I think he'll ride out his term being just as partisan as he's been since he was elected.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:40 PM
 
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LOL, remember when Obama tried to manipulate R's by saying "I will veto any attempt to get rid of the automatic cuts" then when R's didn't' try to stop it, Obama ran around the country crying as if the world would end if sequestration took effect. Of course MSNC fans won't remember that.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:41 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Congress technically passes the budget.

If you look at congresses during your same time frame, Democrat congresses add four times as much debt per session as do Republicans when a party has control of both houses.

Both parties add to the problem.

Oh, did you know that the national debt rose by $1.1 Trillion in the Fiscal Year for 2014? No, you didn't - Obama fooled you and the MSM.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/deb...1&endYear=2014
Lets look at whats really happening here. Clinton was president from 1993-2001.

Notice how from 1993-2001 our debt went up around $1 trillion dollars. And notice how from 1998-2000 our debt practically stopped growing.
(1950-1999) http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo4.htm
(2000-2012) http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm


GW Bush was president from 2001-2009.

Notice how from 2001-2009 our debt went up $6 trillion dollars.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm

Clinton 1993-2001, our debt went up around $1 trillion dollars (then stopped growing.)
GW Bush 2001-2009, our debt went up $6 trillion dollars.

But republicans very cleverly hide the above facts.


And republicans can spin it until everyone is dizzy. But the fact is GW Bush handed Obama a national debt with a 15.9% growth rate, and Obama brought that down to 7.8% in 2011, and 8.6 in 2012.

http://www.skymachines.com/US-Nation...ental-Term.htm
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:42 PM
 
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That's what Clinton did, is Obama man enough to actually compromise for the good of the country? I don't think so. I think he'll ride out his term being just as partisan as he's been since he was elected.
Obama does not know how to play nice (compromise). Obama doesn't care... he has a pen and a phone. To hell with the constitution. This country isn't safe from Obama's damage until he gone and forgotten. But being a narcissistic who needs an adoring fan base kissing his feet he won't go easy.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:42 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Nothing changes if they win. They will never get 60 Senate votes, let alone a filibuster proof quantity. Their volume will increase, their results will not. Plus, short of 55 Senate seats, in 2016, the Dems regain a majority as far too many GOP seats come up..in normally blue Senate states..with few swingable Dem seats up for grabs.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:55 PM
 
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- No spending cuts

- Increased spending across the board

- No cut backs in the size, scope, regulations put out by the Federal government.

Not much difference between them and the Democrats.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Congress technically passes the budget.

If you look at congresses during your same time frame, Democrat congresses add four times as much debt per session as do Republicans when a party has control of both houses.

Both parties add to the problem.

Oh, did you know that the national debt rose by $1.1 Trillion in the Fiscal Year for 2014? No, you didn't - Obama fooled you and the MSM.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/deb...1&endYear=2014
That is because the budget is no longer tied to projected revenues, as it once was. Congress can literally make up any number they please and call it a budget. For FY14 they knew projected revenues were going to be $3 trillion, but they created a $3.7 trillion budget and spent $4.389 trillion. All the Congress critters and Obama are so proud they got the deficit "down" to $689 billion when it is all smoke and mirrors. It still added $1.389 trillion to the National Debt in FY14 no matter how either party wants to spin it.

All Congress has to do is call it a $4.5 trillion budget, and if everything else remains the same next year Congress and Obama can crow they now have a $111 billion SURPLUS! Of course it will still add another $1.389 trillion to the National Debt, because revenues and spending remain unchanged, only the budget number has changed.
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