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Old 12-08-2014, 12:20 PM
 
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.10 tax to fix roads and bridges I am for it that is nothing really it is been awhile since the last gas tax increase
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Old 12-08-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: DC
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The first thing you need to do here DCforever is subtract what it cost the motorist to subsidize buses. The second thing you need to do is add what was given to mas transit.
It might be Pedro's task, but it isn't mine. I demonstrated that the numbers posted are bogus. BTW what brain dead individuals do or don't do isn't particularly significant.
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:26 PM
 
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Americans pays the lowest tax burden of all first world countries. Perhaps there are things you don't know.
So, if all the other lemmings in the world are stupid, that means we should be?
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:31 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Yes! Yes! more taxes are the answer to all our problems. Fail
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Old 12-08-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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What's ridiculous is having millions of people in private automobiles. It's brain dead dumb.
Only to wanna-be-tyrants with an extremely inflated sense of their own intelligence.
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Old 12-08-2014, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Your numbers are bogus.
What are your numbers?

I was reciting this from memory from a long ago post, so I looked it up. This was where I ran across it:

http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/site...eVanpoolPB.pdf

You're partly right because the $1.70 per passenger mile cost of bus was from one particular agency here called Sound Transit. An average of six other agencies was 85 cents per mile. This was a study from 2000-2007, so costs are now doubtless higher.

The per passenger mile by car was taken from AAA data. You can see it here. It was actually 36 cents, not 37 as I said. The number was from 2010, so it would be slightly higher now.

Even with the lower 85 cents figure, the cost by bus is more than double the cost by car. And buses do much more damage to the roads due to their weight. If we could factor that in, the numbers would be even worse.

And this is typical of all gov't owned/operated enterprises. Amtrak requires a subsidy of $35 from taxpayers every time someone steps on board.
Is GM the New Amtrak? - The Daily Beast

Last year it was reported that they were selling a $9.50 cheeseburger that cost $16 to produce, and tasted no better than the $3 burget you get from Burger King.
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Old 12-08-2014, 04:43 PM
 
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And buses do much more damage to the roads due to their weight. If we could factor that in, the numbers would be even worse.
AFAIK they are also exempt from the federal fuel tax and I'd imagine it would vary for the state fuel tax.
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Old 12-08-2014, 05:01 PM
 
Location: DC
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So, if all the other lemmings in the world are stupid, that means we should be?
We have established that you are.
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Old 12-08-2014, 05:02 PM
 
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Only to wanna-be-tyrants with an extremely inflated sense of their own intelligence.
Just price it at the proper level and Americans will abandon their SUVs.
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Old 12-08-2014, 05:04 PM
 
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What are your numbers?

I was reciting this from memory from a long ago post, so I looked it up. This was where I ran across it:

http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/site...eVanpoolPB.pdf

You're partly right because the $1.70 per passenger mile cost of bus was from one particular agency here called Sound Transit. An average of six other agencies was 85 cents per mile. This was a study from 2000-2007, so costs are now doubtless higher.

The per passenger mile by car was taken from AAA data. You can see it here. It was actually 36 cents, not 37 as I said. The number was from 2010, so it would be slightly higher now.

Even with the lower 85 cents figure, the cost by bus is more than double the cost by car. And buses do much more damage to the roads due to their weight. If we could factor that in, the numbers would be even worse.

And this is typical of all gov't owned/operated enterprises. Amtrak requires a subsidy of $35 from taxpayers every time someone steps on board.
Is GM the New Amtrak? - The Daily Beast

Last year it was reported that they were selling a $9.50 cheeseburger that cost $16 to produce, and tasted no better than the $3 burget you get from Burger King.
As pointed out you can travel anywhere in Seattle for $2.50. That about 25 cents a mile or less.

Cars cost 56 cents per mile according to federal car reimbursement.

You apparently have trouble with simple math.
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