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Since when was being anti-choice and anti-birth control considered progressive?
The policies of the catholic church are not benign, and are downright harmful and stupid.
And are particularly harmful to the poor who can least afford having unwanted children.
It is also harmful to society as a whole when these parents are forced to go on welfare
to support their unwanted children.
You could say the same thing about protestants. They are both equally stupid and backward religions.
Again, Catholics are not the Vatican. Most Catholics do use contraception. And where they don't (like in Africa) they also don't if they are Muslims or whatever.
And when you look at the US, the more vocal anti-choice people are not Catholics.
Nah, some of us are out there. We're called Episcopalians. Some are Lutherans, or at least one branch of the Lutheran church. And some Methodists.
Of course, the fundamentalist Christians have proclaimed that we are not "real".
And the Presbyterians... that's what I am. Basically the same thing as Lutheran. I think Church of Christ and American Baptists are generally on the liberal side as well.
The only well known Christian left winger I can think of is Chris Hedges. I think Christianity is inherently a left wing religion, yet in America the Right has basically taken over it.
The only reason a lot of Christians are not democrats is because the dems are pro gay marriage, pro abortion, and the far left are also anti-religion.
This means we have a lot of religious people in the Republican Party who are pro big government, pro illegal immigration and are in favor of big government socialism; they just refuse to join the pro-abortion Democratic Party.
I don't know, some relatively liberal Muslim country, Turkey maybe.
Oh, give me a break!
Four presidents of the US; John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Millard Fillmore and William Howard Taft were Unitarians, e.g. non-Christians. Three presidents; Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson were unaffiliated. Jefferson re-wrote the Bible, and Lincoln was known to mock religion on occasion. Joe Lieberman, Jewish, ran for VP and considered running for president. Mitt Romney, a Mormon, ran for POTUS. Mormonism is not part of mainstream Christianity. Mormons consider themselves different from both Catholics and Protestants.
It seems to me that you'd get a more accurate explanation of Mormon beliefs from a Mormon website than a Catholic website. On the other hand, I wouldn't suggest you go to a Mormon-sponsored website for information on Catholicism. With that said, this is a good place for people who want to look into the "Distinctive Beliefs of the Mormon Church."
It seems to me that you'd get a more accurate explanation of Mormon beliefs from a Mormon website than a Catholic website. On the other hand, I wouldn't suggest you go to a Mormon-sponsored website for information on Catholicism. With that said, this is a good place for people who want to look into the "Distinctive Beliefs of the Mormon Church."
You're probably right, but I didn't want to search all day and that's what came up on Google. I was looking for something fairly non-biased, although had I read through this one in entirety, I probably wouldn't have used it. Also, this is not supposed to be a forum to explain Mormonism, just to explain that we've had several non-Christian presidents.
Still, do you agree that Mormons are neither Catholic nor Protestant? Why or why not? FYI, I am not a Catholic, I'm an ELCA Lutheran (the "liberal" branch).
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 2 Thessalonians 3:10
nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with labor and hardship we kept working night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you; not because we do not have the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, so that you would follow our example. 2 Thessalonians 3:8-9
... But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary of doing good. If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame. Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. 2 Thessalonians 3:13-15
(To say nothing of the specious reasoning required to regard the poor as lazy in the first place.)
nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with labor and hardship we kept working night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you; not because we do not have the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, so that you would follow our example. 2 Thessalonians 3:8-9
... But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary of doing good. If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame. Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. 2 Thessalonians 3:13-15
(To say nothing of the specious reasoning required to regard the poor as lazy in the first place.)
I'm glad we agree that people who abuse the system should be put to shame.
There is also the matter of abortion
Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.
I can see the liberal explanation now though, "but but but Jesus, the Supreme Court said it was legal."
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