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Old 12-18-2014, 03:43 PM
 
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In fairness, many/most of these immigrants lost a lot of property and lost loved ones to prison and executions. These wounds are real, and people don't just get over them.

Should the wounds of a small minority of americans govern foreign policy? That's the question, and in this case, the answer is no. (But I don't think there is a one-size-fits-all answer to this question.)
That's changing with the times. X-gen Cuban-Americans aren't nearly so hardcore and Millennial Cuban-Americans don't care about reparations--they would like to go back and meet the relatives they've been hearing about before they're dead.

I suspect Obama has counted the votes and decided that the old guard is outvoted.
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Old 12-18-2014, 03:45 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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They don't care about human rights, they care about bashing whatever the president does, no matter what. They are like Pavlov's dogs--mention the name Obama and they begin to slobber all over themselves uncontrollably.

Kudos to President Obama, and welcome home, Mr. Gross. This was long, long overdue.
Typical liberal stereotype BS.
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Old 12-18-2014, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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That's changing with the times. X-gen Cuban-Americans aren't nearly so hardcore and Millennial Cuban-Americans don't care about reparations--they would like to go back and meet the relatives they've been hearing about before they're dead.

I suspect Obama has counted the votes and decided that the old guard is outvoted.
I agree. And as others have suggested, there may be some very large strategic issues involved that make it imperative for the US to improve relations with cuba.
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Old 12-18-2014, 04:07 PM
 
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Even within the Cuban-American community they favor normalizing relations.

"The assumption is that Cuban-Americans support punitive policies against Havana, but over the years, polls show that attitude has changed significantly, even among older emigres."

Polls Show Cuban-American Views On U.S.-Cuba Relations Are Nuanced : The Two-Way : NPR

Here are some numbers from the poll, which was taken just this summer:

— 68 percent of respondents favor restoring diplomatic relations with Cuba.

— Among younger respondents, 90 percent of respondents favor restoring diplomatic ties.

— 69 percent of all respondents favor the lifting of travel restrictions impeding all Americans from traveling to Cuba.

— 53 percent of respondents said they would be likely to vote for a "candidate for political office who supported the re-establishment of diplomatic relations."

— A large majority — 71 percent — responded that the U.S. embargo of Cuba has not worked at all or has not worked very well.

As usual, the GOP finds itself on a the wrong side of an issue.

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Old 12-18-2014, 04:36 PM
 
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Even within the Cuban-American community they favor normalizing relations.

"The assumption is that Cuban-Americans support punitive policies against Havana, but over the years, polls show that attitude has changed significantly, even among older emigres."

Polls Show Cuban-American Views On U.S.-Cuba Relations Are Nuanced : The Two-Way : NPR

Here are some numbers from the poll, which was taken just this summer:

— 68 percent of respondents favor restoring diplomatic relations with Cuba.

— Among younger respondents, 90 percent of respondents favor restoring diplomatic ties.

— 69 percent of all respondents favor the lifting of travel restrictions impeding all Americans from traveling to Cuba.

— 53 percent of respondents said they would be likely to vote for a "candidate for political office who supported the re-establishment of diplomatic relations."

— A large majority — 71 percent — responded that the U.S. embargo of Cuba has not worked at all or has not worked very well.

As usual, the GOP finds itself on a the wrong side of an issue.
And what all of this tells me is this. The Cuban-Americans that I hear about being against all of this, are mostly the older Cubans who have political power.
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Old 12-18-2014, 04:39 PM
 
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If I had my way, I'd pay them to take it back.
As long as that money goes to help the people in Cuba, fine. I do worry about what it could do with the budget. However, business investment in Cuba would not hurt.
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Old 12-18-2014, 04:43 PM
 
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I agree.
Perhaps Cuba could turn it into something good for the economy. Guantanamo Bay is the largest harbor on Cuba's southern region.
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Old 12-18-2014, 05:02 PM
 
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Not sure if this has been posted anywhere yet. Here is Cuban President Raul Castro's address to the Cuban people yesterday regarding normalizing relations with the United States. I was unaware that Canada played a role as well.

CubaSi - Cuban President Raul Castro Delivers Speech on Cuba-US Relations
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Old 12-18-2014, 05:13 PM
 
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And then there's this from Talking Points Memo:

"Early in his term, President Obama received the Nobel Prize not for actions he’d already taken, but for actions yet to be. Given what he has been doing in foreign policy—the nuclear negotiations with Iran, the climate change agreement with China, and this agreement with Cuba, it’s now time to say that the Nobel Committee was right: he earned it."

Our Cuba Policy Is Our Berlin Wall, And It's Starting To Crumble
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Old 12-18-2014, 06:02 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I agree. And as others have suggested, there may be some very large strategic issues involved that make it imperative for the US to improve relations with cuba.
And what strategic issues are these?

The truly comical part is that the Cubans and Venezuelans will still invite the Russian bases. This won't change anything ... except make us supposed Yankee imperialists look weak and stupid. We will end up propping up "The Revolution" with Gringo money instead of just waiting a few years for Raul to croak and watch the entire thing come tumbling down

Raoul will croak within a few years ... we could have waited him out. "The Revolution" won't survive without the Castro's, their underlings will fight eachother for control and we can use that as pretext to intervene allowing us to truly control Cuba.
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