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Well, as great a negotiator as 0bama is, I know we will get some important human rights concessions out of Castro's Cuba. You know, things like increased personal freedoms and restoring the basic human rights of the people of Cuba. /threetruckloadsofsarcasm
It will likely happen the same way it's happening in China and Vietnam. It does happen. Especially if Fidel gets a chance to see they Yankees play before he dies.
And once again, you find yourself on the wrong side of history. Ten years from now people will shake their heads at the lunacy of a 54 year embargo that accomplished nothing and wonder what the hell took us so long to rescind it. And Marco Rubio will be a footnote in history that no one but a few really old Cubans in Southern Florida--and you--even remember.
Making free trade partners with slave state of Communist China is working like a charm. They are now the world's biggest economy, they have intercontinental nuclear missiles with multiple-warheads, weaponized satellites, and are building their own aircraft carriers and stealth fighters, threatening to nuke San Francisco, while landing on the moon. I can't wait until the slave state of Communist Cuba gets wealthy and starts modernizing too, while 90 miles off our coast.
We should open up free trade with ISIS, these trade embargoes are just silly.
Did it ever occur to you that the trade restrictions and embargoes on Cuba were nonsensical and ineffective, and they needed to be revisited and applied in a more effective manner?
Giving away the cow to Cuba for free is not going to be as effective as you think.
Well, as great a negotiator as 0bama is, I know we will get some important human rights concessions out of Castro's Cuba. You know, things like increased personal freedoms and restoring the basic human rights of the people of Cuba. /threetruckloadsofsarcasm
What is there to negotiate? Remember China in the 1970s? Or when we recognized Vietnam in 1995?
I went to China in 2008 (after the Olympics). It was astonishing what had transpired since we (USA) entered into trade with them. In the 1970s China was a 'third world' nation.
Vietnam: I have not visited, but many have. It, too, has improved the life of the citizens since we started trading with them.
Why not Cuba? What is there to 'negotiate'? The very fact that President Castro took this step is evidence, to me, that he (and hence Cuba) are willing to move out of the early 1960s.
Human rights? Opening up countries to our trade has, historically, proven well (China, Vietnam). Since we are still debating whether 'water boarding' is 'torture', we may not have the high ground here.
It will likely happen the same way it's happening in China and Vietnam. It does happen. Especially if Fidel gets a chance to see they Yankees play before he dies.
Not all countries and governments are the same. Vietnam is at odds with China, and they are not 90 miles off our coast.
I look at who is in charge of this new partnership with Cuba, it's Barack "Wrecking Ball" 0bama, the man who can't do a damn thing without ****ing it up, and it does not make me feel confident in the least.
What is there to negotiate? Remember China in the 1970s? Or when we recognized Vietnam in 1995?
I went to China in 2008 (after the Olympics). It was astonishing what had transpired since we (USA) entered into trade with them. In the 1970s China was a 'third world' nation.
Vietnam: I have not visited, but many have. It, too, has improved the life of the citizens since we started trading with them.
Why not Cuba? What is there to 'negotiate'? The very fact that President Castro took this step is evidence, to me, that he (and hence Cuba) are willing to move out of the early 1960s.
Human rights? Opening up countries to our trade has, historically, proven well (China, Vietnam). Since we are still debating whether 'water boarding' is 'torture', we may not have the high ground here.
China is just a filthy rich slave state now, that is all, forcing their citizens to dance in unison for the Olympics was a creepy demonstration of their despotic tyranny. The people live in cities where the air kills you, oh yeah, great success there.
China has a modern military, with all the best technology they are stealing from the West. Oh yeah, things look great. I'm so glad we could modernize China's military so they could threaten to nuke San Francisco and LA.
According to the report, a Chinese newspaper sponsored by the Communist Party ran an article in November 2013 about the possibilities of nuclear intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) strikes against much of the US's Pacific coast. In the scenario imagined by the newspaper, China's new JIN ballistic missile submarine could act as an ultimate deterrent to any hostile US foreign policy.
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The IRS and State revenue offices and county auditors and cities all do the same thing.
When you don't pay taxes, your assets, bank accounts and property are seized.
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Mircea
all that to defend Castro and blame the USA ? .......I laugh in how serious you take yourself and then act childish with your "surrender is accepted" in your arguments, are you in high school? then you type your name at the end in all your posts to make youself feel important. ....LOL
Cuba began expropriating land and private property under the auspices of the Agrarian Reform Law of 17 May 1959. Farms of any size could be and were seized by the government, while land, businesses, and companies owned by upper- and middle-class Cubans were nationalized. By the end of 1960, the revolutionary government had nationalized more than $25 billion worth of private property owned by Cubans. The Castro government formally nationalized all foreign-owned property, particularly American holdings, in the nation on 6 August 1960. In 1961, the Cuban government nationalized all property held by religious organizations, including the dominant Roman Catholic Church. Hundreds of members of the church, including bishops, were permanently expelled from the nation, as the new Cuban government declared itself officially atheist.. Education also saw significant changes, private schools were banned and the progressively socialist state assumed greater responsibility for children.
Yeah the I.R.S. in the U.S.A does the same thing! just because you say it!
Castro didn't change the tax code like any new government does when taking power and giving businesses the chance to pay or give them due process, he confiscated all private property and all bank accounts of all Cubans and Americans. No democratic elections and no due process.
So your silly argument and defense of Castro that he confiscated property because they didn't pay taxes and he did what the I.R.S does is very ignorant and shows that you have no idea what you are talking about here.
It wasn't about taxes like you write.....Castro wanted to confiscate all private property by force and wanted 1 party communist government control with him and his brother in charge with NO democratic elections because that was his intentions all along with Che Guevara, who was also behind the Agrarian Reform Law and confiscation of private property.
let me sign my name at the end like you so I feel important
Hellion1999
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Cuba began expropriating land and private property under the auspices of the Agrarian Reform Law of 17 May 1959. Farms of any size could be and were seized by the government, while land, businesses, and companies owned by upper- and middle-class Cubans were nationalized. By the end of 1960, the revolutionary government had nationalized more than $25 billion worth of private property owned by Cubans. The Castro government formally nationalized all foreign-owned property, particularly American holdings, in the nation on 6 August 1960. In 1961, the Cuban government nationalized all property held by religious organizations, including the dominant Roman Catholic Church. Hundreds of members of the church, including bishops, were permanently expelled from the nation, as the new Cuban government declared itself officially atheist.. Education also saw significant changes, private schools were banned and the progressively socialist state assumed greater responsibility for children.
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let me sign my name at the end like you so I feel important
Hellion1999
I'm not sure you would want to sign your name to any of this post, since you ripped half of it straight from Wikipedia without attribution...
And you probably don't even see the irony; let me help you.
Your argument is that Castro stole American holdings (among others), and here you steal a whole paragraph to try and bolster your argument. lol!!
Well, as great a negotiator as 0bama is, I know we will get some important human rights concessions out of Castro's Cuba. You know, things like increased personal freedoms and restoring the basic human rights of the people of Cuba. /threetruckloadsofsarcasm
You "human rights" folks crack me up.
Obama can't "negotiate" for the Cuban people. It's his business to negotiate the best deal for Americans in our dealings with Cuba.
What goes on in Cuba is an internal matter for Cubans to resolve.
I'm not sure you would want to sign your name to any of this post, since you ripped half of it straight from Wikipedia without attribution...
And you probably don't even see the irony; let me help you.
Your argument is that Castro stole American holdings (among others), and here you steal a whole paragraph to try and bolster your argument. lol!!
is not my argument but an historical fact....you want me to change the words to make it my own?
How do you steal facts and history?.....LMAO!
anything else you want to complain?
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.......I laugh in how serious you take yourself and then act childish with your "surrender is accepted" in your arguments, are you in high school? then you type your name at the end in all your posts to make youself feel important. ....LOL
