News flash - Are we really about to normalize relations with Cuba?!?! (18 year old, March)

[Yeledaf]

Originally Posted by whogo

Agree on that. My point is Ike and Nixon, unlike the neocons (Wilsonians) had no qualms about undermining democracy if they believed it served our national interests.

You're forgetting FDR. He undermined Germany's democratically elected Chancellor. Thank Guinness!!!!

"George Bailey, don't you ever get tired of just READING about things?"

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

really??? Mohammad Mosaddegh was elected by the people in Iran in democratic elections????? they had democratic elections in Iran in 1950? Amazing!!! they must have given you a different history class than the rest of the world.

I think you're the one who had the unique history education.

Unless you're actually implying that nations with parliaments are not democracies.

[Hellion1999]

Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk

I think you're the one who had the unique history education.

Unless you're actually implying that nations with parliaments are not democracies.

better learn how to read.....define democratic elections......was Mosaddegh elected by the will of the people in a democratic election in Iran that women were allow to vote, YES or NO?

[Hellion1999]

Originally Posted by Yeledaf

You're forgetting FDR. He undermined Germany's democratically elected Chancellor. Thank Guinness!!!!

"George Bailey, don't you ever get tired of just READING about things?"

yeah and Mussolini and the legit government of the Empire of Japan.......LMAO!!!

[Yeledaf]

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

yeah and Mussolini and the legit government of the Empire of Japan.......LMAO!!!

'Struth. Sometimes men gotta do what men gotta do. Later, we can let the Progressives engage in critical onanism.

[Hellion1999]

Originally Posted by Yeledaf

'Struth. Sometimes men gotta do what a mem gotta do. Later, we can let the Progressives engage in critical onanism.

[jacqueg]

Originally Posted by Yeledaf

If the embargo was having no effect, why were so many arguing that it end? Why, indeed, did CUBA want it to end?

Oh I dunno.

Lots of cubans would like to visit each other legally.

Canadian tourist dollars are welcome, american tourist dollars would be also.

Associating with only one super power didn't work out so well for them, maybe they don't want to risk that again, and maybe the US doesn't want to risk it either.

Originally Posted by Yeledaf

The fact is that the embargo was daily proof that America refused to support a declared enemy -- one which at one time clamored for the Soviet Union launch a nuclear attack on America -- 90 miles from its shores.

Obama's capitulation to the Castros is a craven surrender to our avowed enemy. Castro's cynical acceptance of our President's capitulation is the nothing more or less than a hooker's contract with its third customer -- USSR / Venezuela / USA.

Obama gets a thrill. America gets the clap.

Any struggling girl could tell you that it's better to have two big money customers than one, especially if each of them show a tendency to be an overbearing a**hole - they each behave better if they have some competition.

If you are truly concerned about an antagonistic military presence 90 miles off our shores shouldn't you

1) welcome definite signs that cuba would be open to a positive relationship?

2) be worried about the 2.4 mile distance between Big Diomede and Little Diomede (walkable, in many winters)?

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

better learn how to read.....define democratic elections......was Mosaddegh elected by the will of the people in a democratic election in Iran that women were allow to vote, YES or NO?

Oh, so now you're added women's vote as a condition of being a "democratic vote?"

That means the US didn't have a democratic national vote until 1920.

LOL. You've just gone into the bowels of absurdity. Such a silly debate is worthless.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

Providing real historical facts????? LMAOOOOOOO!!!

It's congressional testimony. Your inability to rebut a single fact is telling.

Face it, you got punked by Pukipedia.

What kind of "expert" would write about a revolution, and totally ignore the sworn testimony before Congress of the sitting US ambassador?

An anti-Castro Cuban in Miami.

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

Explain without boring us with your 1,000 words essay, how does the American government (I.R.S.) does the same things in what Castro is doing in Cuba for over 60 years?

Law Lets I.R.S. Seize Accounts on Suspicion, No Crime Required

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/us...ired.html?_r=0

"The Institute for Justice has become a major pillar of our free society. In area after area—economic liberty, school choice, private property rights—it has provided legal defense against assaults on human freedom. In the process, it has strengthened and deepened liberty."—Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman

http://www.ij.org/

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

yeah and Mussolini....

Mussolini's legitimacy came from Christians, specifically the Roman Catholic Church.

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

... and the legit government of the Empire of Japan.......LMAO!!!

Any government accepted by the majority of people is a legitimate government.

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

better learn how to read.....

Better learn how to use primary sources instead of Pukipedia.

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

define democratic elections......

The election process is defined by the people of a State.

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

...was Mosaddegh elected by the will of the people in a democratic election in Iran that women were allow to vote, YES or NO?

The question is stupid.

According to you, there were no democratic elections in the US prior to the ratification of the 19th Amendment in 1920.

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

is that a democratic election that all citizens in Iran including women voted? DUH!! back at you.

He was the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran from 1951 until 1953,...

Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since you hold out Pukipedia to be an authority, you have no choice but to admit you're wrong.

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS: The act or process of electing someone to fill an office or position chosen by election by the majority of the citizens of a country without discrimination and by force of violence and not by appointment by a ruling party or monarchy......that is the definition of a democratic election.

"Discrimination" is in the eye-of-the-beholder.

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

....as for Allende,..

The US government has already admitted the role of the CIA and State Department.

You lose again.

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

EXACTLY!!!! if the embargo has no effect on our sworn enemy....

You seriously believe Cuba will invade the US and take over?

When did you stop taking haloperidol?

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

Allende was never elected to power democratically by the majority of Chileans......

He doesn't have to be.

Didn't you read Chile's constitution operative at the time?

Doh!

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

Arbenz was deposed by his political opposition in Guatemala with the help of the U.S.A. during the cold war......plus Arbenz got to power by fraud elections not democratically.

Arbenz was properly elected and over-throw by the US for building a port to compete against the monopoly port held by Chiquita, and building a power plant to compete against Chiquita who had a monopoly on electric power in Guatemala.

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

....try again!......name me a leader of any country that was democratically elected by the majority of the people that the U.S.A deposed?

A number of posters correctly have.

You can add President Schemarke of Somalia to the list.

You can add the July 2009 overthrow of the Honduran government by Obama and Hillary.

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

Mircea without boring us to death and you taking the whole forum with 1,000 of anti-american propaganda and mumbo jumbo, explain how there has never been a communist state in history...

If you had a BA in Economics as I do, then you'd know that. Communism, like Socialism and Capitalism are Property Theories. A Property Theory answers one and only one question: Who should have control of Capital?

Economic Systems are completely separate and apart from Property Theories. Economic Systems answer three basic questions:

1] What products or services should we produce or provide?
2] How shall we produce the product or provide the service?
3] For whom shall we produce this product or service?

There are three Economic Systems, plus hybrids of each. One such Economic System is the Traditional System. It is still used by about 2 Billion people, mostly in those States that have social structures based on clans or tribes. Suffice to say that everything is done based on Tradition, which is heavily determined by Culture and thus influenced by Group-Think.

Your two Economic Systems are:

Free Market System
Command Market System

(and of course hybrids).

Since most of this is over your head, I should probably show how Property Theories are paired with Economic Systems:

Free Market - Capitalism (no longer exists)
Free Market - Socialism (widespread in Europe and elsewhere)
Free Market - Communism (never been attempted)

Command Market - Capitalism (where the US is headed)
Command Market - Socialism (former Soviet Union and East Bloc, plus numerous States today)
Command Market - Communism (never been attempted)

Free/Command Hybrid - Capitalism (where the US is now)
Free/Command Hybrid - Socialism (widespread in Europe and elsewhere)Free/Command Hybrid - Communism (never been attempted)

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

... and how the Americans enslaves people and they need dictatorships to protect them from the Americans.

Human Development Index

44 Cuba
75 Iran (Islamic Republic of)
117 Philippines
121 Viet Nam
125 Guatemala
129 Honduras
132 Nicaragua

Amazing how once a State is no longer a Colonial Economic Slave State to the US, how everything improves for the people.

Look at little Vietnam.

The US has been in Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua for more than 150 years.

The US illegally overthrown a Honduran government 14 times since 1900, with the most recent being July 2009.


How is it possible for the US to control a State for 150 years, and the State lag behind in everything?

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

They did a good job in brainwashing you in whatever institution you went at taxpayers expense for you to come here and believe the cr@p that you write.....

Does Army ROTC count as "taxpayer expense"?

[Hellion1999]

^^^^^^ LMAO!! They let you in the ROTC???? you don't sound like officer material to lead in the United States Armed Forces.....you didn't make the cut and now are bitter about the United State, it sucks to be you.


Didn't I told you to not bored us with your anti-american bumbo jumbo of long posts?



so americans enslaves people around the world?...is that what they taught you at the ROTC? LMAO!!!


Mircea?????