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Old 01-22-2015, 10:35 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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You ASSume that NO ONE in the 99% can run a country or corporation etc....its the fact we are given a fair shake at all. We weren't born with silver spoons in our mouths with trust funds set up when we turned 21. I am not anti business I am anti slavery which is EXACTLY what workers today are treated like by all but a few companies. Nothing more than slaves to make the richest of the rich more money and ya better be grateful for a few days vacation and your mediocre low wages....or else.

This was to those that are against fairness and everyone having a fighting chance...

If you look at history, this type of revolution happened during the beginnings of the Soviet Union in which they sought to do away with a capitalism, and moved toward collectivism. Well, guess who ended up in control? The government! The state owned everything! Be careful what you wish for.

Your post sounds like something right out of Animal Farm.
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Old 01-22-2015, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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It seems to me that the ones who always cry about what others have are the ones who refuse to work to succeed. If you sit around waiting on someone to make things fair, you will be right where you are forever...poor and bitter.
It seems to me that you have no idea what TH you are talking about.

I have more than I can ask for, but will never stop seeking justice for everyone and the truth in all things.
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Old 01-22-2015, 10:37 AM
 
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A new government will be set up unless of course its the government that does the right thing and takes what we deserve for us. If a new government is set up then things will be changed dramatically...you assume because there is a revolt everyone has the correct answers. We merely know things are wrong how they are now and they need to change. I would be merely happy with HUGE taxes on inheritances over 1 million,taxes on corporations,a set yearly wage of at least 35k for every person not making it. Etc. That would be a great start. Oh on top of that banning ALL money from political campaigns that comes from businesses and cutting back the amount one person can give to ANY politician or a different ones...I don't think a revolt where their is blood shed needs to happen but with government in bed with the 1% then at this rate there will need to be something done or nothing will change.
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Old 01-22-2015, 10:40 AM
 
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If you look at history, this type of revolution happened during the beginnings of the Soviet Union in which they sought to do away with a capitalism, and moved toward collectivism. Well, guess who ended up in control? The government! The state owned everything! Be careful what you wish for.

Your post sounds like something right out of Animal Farm.
I have read Animal Farm. Interesting book and I completely understand it. I am not a communist I despise communism. I want a strong national government that is for economic justice and that can be as simple as making sure every working man/woman has a home,free education and set yearly income. A government that CARES about ALL of its citizens and not just the 1% who pay for their attention.I am a Economic Socialist I don't care for Capitalism nor Communism....I am socially Conservative.
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Old 01-22-2015, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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And you are so dense to believe that once the 1% are gone that they won't go after the next 1%. At some point, you'll be that 1% when they come after you.

Remind me again what a realtor builds are produces?

People like him will quickly point out that you are profiting off of them unjustly. They'll say that a system set up by realtors that forces them to pay money for fear of not doing the right paperwork is quite unfair and unjust.
A realtor has local knowledge on the real estate market and neighborhoods they work in. Buying/selling a home is a tedious process with tons of steps and paperwork, so it's nice to have someone knowledgeable. They are not as needed with the advent of the internet, but most people still find a good one VERY useful. I have multiple careers though.

You are making up your own arguments though and seem to again be off your rocker.

I am against monopolies, colluded industries and deceipt in general. I have never stated anything about taking from ANYONE.
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Old 01-22-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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A new government will be set up unless of course its the government that does the right thing and takes what we deserve for us. If a new government is set up then things will be changed dramatically...you assume because there is a revolt everyone has the correct answers. We merely know things are wrong how they are now and they need to change. I would be merely happy with HUGE taxes on inheritances over 1 million,taxes on corporations,a set yearly wage of at least 35k for every person not making it. Etc. That would be a great start. Oh on top of that banning ALL money from political campaigns that comes from businesses and cutting back the amount one person can give to ANY politician or a different ones...I don't think a revolt where their is blood shed needs to happen but with government in bed with the 1% then at this rate there will need to be something done or nothing will change.
Because you deserve someone else's inheritance?
What you deserve is the market rate for you work and opportunity. It's not the company's job to make you wealthy. If many in the 99% can run a business like you said in a previous post, they should do it if they're unhappy where they work. If they don't, then it's not a situation of can't, it's simply won't.
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Old 01-22-2015, 10:47 AM
 
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A new government will be set up unless of course its the government that does the right thing and takes what we deserve for us. If a new government is set up then things will be changed dramatically...you assume because there is a revolt everyone has the correct answers. We merely know things are wrong how they are now and they need to change. I would be merely happy with HUGE taxes on inheritances over 1 million,taxes on corporations,a set yearly wage of at least 35k for every person not making it. Etc. That would be a great start. Oh on top of that banning ALL money from political campaigns that comes from businesses and cutting back the amount one person can give to ANY politician or a different ones...I don't think a revolt where their is blood shed needs to happen but with government in bed with the 1% then at this rate there will need to be something done or nothing will change.

So you tax them more, and they move more of their money offshore, or in the case of big companies by demanding a mandatory wage, they will just move more of their jobs overseas, layoff more employees, hire more illegals...ect... Look I understand that what we have is corporate cronyism, and the mega corps grease the palms of these empty suits, but you also have to blame the empty suits that we elect! We continue to elect these idiots, who then continue to increase the size of the federal government, and therefore due to overregulations, it snuffs out the small businesses, as they cannot compete. Instead of trying to change the government, how about changing who we vote for, and get back to voting for candidates that will adhere to the Constitution (which is the guideline of how a government is supposed to function).
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Old 01-22-2015, 10:48 AM
 
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If you look at history, this type of revolution happened during the beginnings of the Soviet Union in which they sought to do away with a capitalism, and moved toward collectivism. Well, guess who ended up in control? The government! The state owned everything! Be careful what you wish for.

Your post sounds like something right out of Animal Farm.
First of all, Orwell was a socialist-- I find it amusing that so many people seem to think he was advocating capitalism as integral to an enlightened society.

And second of all, the USSR never actually achieved socialism or communism. But they did achieve a movement from poor, agrarian society to world power within a few decades.

Revolution is always a destabilizing factor... but buying into capitalist propaganda isn't good for discussion.
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Old 01-22-2015, 10:52 AM
 
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Because you deserve someone else's inheritance?
What you deserve is the market rate for you work and opportunity. It's not the company's job to make you wealthy. If many in the 99% can run a business like you said in a previous post, they should do it if they're unhappy where they work. If they don't, then it's not a situation of can't, it's simply won't.
Nope but the government does. And its the governments job the insure EVERY citizen is taken care of. The rich can do it because they pass wealth down to their kids etc the poor can't.
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So you tax them more, and they move more of their money offshore, or in the case of big companies by demanding a mandatory wage, they will just move more of their jobs overseas, layoff more employees, hire more illegals...ect... Look I understand that what we have is corporate cronyism, and the mega corps grease the palms of these empty suits, but you also have to blame the empty suits that we elect! We continue to elect these idiots, who then continue to increase the size of the federal government, and therefore due to overregulations, it snuffs out the small businesses, as they cannot compete. Instead of trying to change the government, how about changing who we vote for, and get back to voting for candidates that will adhere to the Constitution (which is the guideline of how a government is supposed to function).
Don't let them move overseas. If you do move overseas your product is not allowed to be sold in the US,illegals would be kept out via a HUGE wall,mounted machine guns etc...whatever it took...Why all of a sudden in the past 75 years businesses think they can do as they please via not paying livable wages etc is beyond me...we need a New New Deal or even the New Bill of Rights would work...I wish Roosevelt had been able to get them all passed.
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Old 01-22-2015, 10:52 AM
 
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And second of all, the USSR never actually achieved socialism or communism. But they did achieve a movement from poor, agrarian society to world power within a few decades.
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The people remained poor but the government became a power. Also in a few decades, it all collapsed.
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