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The point being that the a family member with authority decides to go with with comfort only measures. In the case of a family member who refuses to let go, it takes an outlined process for the hospital and attending doctor to override the wishes of the family. This can take an extended period of time,
The point being, you had no idea what you were talking about, so let it go.
I don't have to come on here and tote my self around like some self righteous saint.
You are correct. Folks are perfectly entitled to make clear the indefensibly self-centered nature of their political perspective. The right-wingers participating in this thread have done so swimmingly. Kudos. If there was any doubt in the minds of reasonable moderates about the disreputable nature of that which the right values, I suspect that y'all have very effectively removed all such doubt.
I think this bit of proud anti-morality sums up the right-wing perspective very well:
This is why the Cleveland Clinic on any given day looks like the U.N.? People from all over the world coming for treatment? I have never heard anyone say "I'm going to the U.K. for treatment".
We have some of the very best health care in the world, the problem is, not everyone has access to it. For those that do, there simply is no better care in the world.
This is why the Cleveland Clinic on any given day looks like the U.N.? People from all over the world coming for treatment? I have never heard anyone say "I'm going to the U.K. for treatment".
We have some of the very best health care in the world, the problem is, not everyone has access to it. For those that do, there simply is no better care in the world.
It never ceases to amaze me just how ill informed Americans are, of course people come from all over the world to go to places such as Harley Street and many specialist NHS Hospitals offer private treatments. There has always been a private healthcare system in the UK working alongside the NHS, and the NHS often contracts out services to the private sector, including well known US Healthcare providers.
The UK is at the forefront of pharmaceutical development and bio-techs and UK research has led to the development of a lot of medical technology such as CT Scanners and MRI Machines.
You are correct. Folks are perfectly entitled to make clear the indefensibly self-centered nature of their political perspective. The right-wingers participating in this thread have done so swimmingly. Kudos. If there was any doubt in the minds of reasonable moderates about the disreputable nature of that which the right values, I suspect that y'all have very effectively removed all such doubt.
I think this bit of proud anti-morality sums up the right-wing perspective very well:
It too bad you do not understand or address the point I was making. You are like a lost little lamb that feeds off the tit of political tools that pretends to be morally superior until they are not, then you turn the other cheek. I do wonder how you fight the moral argument when it comes to gay people. There is a large group of people who think homosexuality is immoral and think it should be illegal they get married. I guess you'd be immoral if you opposed such a position.
FYI: I'm pro-choice, anti-death penalty, I support some form of a UHC system and am pro gay people. So, please stop characterizing me with the right-wing. I do not subscribe to the same bull**** political party affiliation or government based morality as you or they do. You are willfully ignorant of the fact that people can have good morals, be a pragmatist and realist with out falling victim to the bull**** like you.
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If you haven't been paying attention, government run agencies have historically been mismanaged, inefficient, bordering on the criminal and fraught with waste.
The current administration has exponentially exceeded the historical failures of past administrations as it uses theoretical projections that can exist only in a state of drug induced delerium.
Obamacare cost projections and benefits for one, have been so out of line they mimic the traditional cosmicly underestimated infrastructure costs. Additionally the obama administration has demonstrated a pattern of lies, and its absolute lack of clear communications can only be viewed as intentionally misleading for covert intent.
There is zero trust in the government to administer any program and be honest in their amatuerish attempts which waste the money that might better be directed where it would help the most.
Wish you well on your recovery from unconsciousness.
It worries me that there are any deluded people out there who would support 1600 pages of mandatory health insurance, instead of addressing actual health care.
They just added another MANDATORY middleman to the bureaucracy.
It really worries me that the people who voted for this bill, the very people we elected, didn't even bother to read it before they endorsed it. They probably still don't understand it and still don't care what's in it.
It also bothers me that our president seems so disinterested in the people, possibly hostile, that he would continue signing ridiculous bills and encouraging illegal immigration and insane spending. How will Americans come up with the money to pay for this-out of their pockets, of course.
He did say we are in recovery, so I guess the people won't mind.
It never ceases to amaze me just how ill informed Americans are, of course people come from all over the world to go to places such as Harley Street and many specialist NHS Hospitals offer private treatments. There has always been a private healthcare system in the UK working alongside the NHS, and the NHS often contracts out services to the private sector, including well known US Healthcare providers.
The UK is at the forefront of pharmaceutical development and bio-techs and UK research has led to the development of a lot of medical technology such as CT Scanners and MRI Machines.
I'm not ill informed. In the end your argument boils down to the same one being complained about. The rich can access good treatment while the rest can't.
It worries me that there are any deluded people out there who would support 1600 pages of mandatory health insurance, instead of addressing actual health care.
They just added another MANDATORY middleman to the bureaucracy.
It really worries me that the people who voted for this bill, the very people we elected, didn't even bother to read it before they endorsed it. They probably still don't understand it and still don't care what's in it.
It also bothers me that our president seems so disinterested in the people, possibly hostile, that he would continue signing ridiculous bills and encouraging illegal immigration and insane spending. How will Americans come up with the money to pay for this-out of their pockets, of course.
He did say we are in recovery, so I guess the people won't mind.
It too bad you do not understand or address the point I was making.
Stop with the childish self-delusion: I understand completely. I disagree with you. I think you're wrong. Get over it.
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You are like a lost little lamb that feeds off the tit of political tools that pretends to be morally superior until they are not, then you turn the other cheek.
I suppose you're going to claim my late mother wore Army boots too? What is this - kindergarten? How about responding to the topic with a modicum of maturity?
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I do wonder how you fight the moral argument when it comes to gay people.
Why not ask about that in a thread where that's relevant instead of trying to draw this thread off-topic because it isn't going your way?
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So, please stop characterizing me with the right-wing.
Stop standing with them and you'll stop being characterized in that manner.
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