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Old 04-03-2015, 10:34 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Not a valid question at all.

How far out of reality do you have to be to think that a majority-Roman Catholic supreme court would uphold the "rights" of muslims to discriminate against gays, but not the "rights" of christians, including other Roman Catholics????

BTW - it wasn't hard at all. I'm cooking dinner and typing at the same time.
Judging from the results of recent events, a very valid question. It would seem that the rights of some are more important than the rights of others. Especially with this administration.

 
Old 04-03-2015, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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All the Muslim bakeries have to do is go all lalalala dirkadirkamohommadjihadallahakbar and the US DOJ will back down and let them do whatever the F they want. Same as always. Muslim cab drivers already refuse customers with dogs, and Muslim cashiers refuse to handle pork products over their silly superstition. I have yet to hear of them being prosecuted by the DOJ.
The Muslim cab drivers were told to follow the law or lose their license. They were not allowed to continue to discriminate.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/...33289220070417
 
Old 04-03-2015, 10:36 AM
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Location: USA
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In case you haven't noticed, they don't go into a Muslim bakery in Dearborn or an Orthodox Jewish photographer in Boro Park Brooklyn. Only devote Christians are selected to sue.
True, but in their mind Muslims are a protected class fighting against the Evil Christians. Considering there are millions of Gay Christians and Zero Gay Muslims (At least in Iran) the Hypocracy of those on the Left who throw their efforts against Christianity is enough to make your head spin


Because many on the Left hold the Mantra that Multiculturalism overrides almost everything else. This includes: Christians, straight people, white people, people on the right. Their first inclination is to side with whoever is the opposite of the before mentioned groups. Muslims are a group needing protection in their minds. To atheist such as myself I find this Ludicrous considering Islam is the most religiously Conservative mainstream religion in the world: "The furthest Leftist supports the furthest on the Right"
 
Old 04-03-2015, 10:36 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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If they sold that cake to anyone, they would have to sell it to everyone.
Not if it violates their First Amendment right to the free exercise of their religion.

Muslim and Orthodox Jewish bakeries don't have to sell wedding cakes for same-sex marriages, either. Do you have a problem with that?
 
Old 04-03-2015, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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If couple "A" order a 3 tier white cake with sugar flower and are allowed to purchase the cake.
Then couple "B" orders the same cake and are denied because they are gay.
It is the sexual orientation of the people purchasing the cake that is being discriminated against.

If selling the cake was against their religious beliefs they would not sell the cake to anyone, kind of like some Muslims don't sell pork in their butcher shops because it is against their religion. They do not say this person can buy pork, but that one can not because selling him pork is against my religion.
Okay fair enough.
 
Old 04-03-2015, 10:38 AM
 
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Not if it violates their First Amendment right to the free exercise of their religion.

Muslim and Orthodox Jewish bakeries don't have to sell wedding cakes for same-sex marriages, either. Do you have a problem with that?
I do. I have a problem with people of any religion telling me what I can do with MY CAKE.
 
Old 04-03-2015, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Not if it violates their First Amendment right to the free exercise of their religion.

Muslim and Orthodox Jewish bakeries don't have to sell wedding cakes for same-sex marriages, either. Do you have a problem with that?
Actually they do if they offer wedding cakes, and the business is located where sexual orientation is covered in public accommodation laws.
 
Old 04-03-2015, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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True, but in their mind Muslims are a protected class fighting against the Evil Christians.

Because many on the Left hold the Mantra that Multiculturalism overrides almost everything else. This includes: Christians, straight people, white people, people on the right. Their first inclination is to side with whoever is the opposite of the before mentioned groups. Muslims are a group needing protection in their minds. To atheist such as myself I find this Ludicrous considering Islam is the most religiously Conservative mainstream religion in the world: "The furthest Leftist supports the furthest on the Right"
Here is a very interesting article,

M&S faces boycott as it lets Muslim staff refuse to sell alcohol or pork

Furious M&S customers threatened to boycott the store last night for allowing Muslim checkout staff to refuse to serve customers who want to pay for alcohol or pork.

Read more: Marks & Spencer tells Muslim staff they CAN refuse to serve customers buying alcohol or pork | Daily Mail Online
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Obviously, there are the Checks and Balances in This 'Free-Market' Economy. Personally, I have no ideas why you want to give your business to those who view you as second class citizen.
 
Old 04-03-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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Actually they do if they offer wedding cakes, and the business is located where sexual orientation is covered in public accommodation laws.
As you know very well, because you have been informed repeatedly in this and the other closely related threads, this is not about discrimination based on sexual orientation. This is proven when the merchant is willing to sell these people other goods and services, as they all apparently are.

Rather, this is a religious merchant expressing their constitutional right to free exercise of religion by refusing to associate themselves with a ceremony that they find religiously objectionable. You know this, yet you continue to "pretend" as if you do not. Hmmmm.
 
Old 04-03-2015, 10:58 AM
 
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As you know very well, because you have been informed repeatedly in this and the other closely related threads, this is not about discrimination based on sexual orientation. This is proven when the merchant is willing to sell these people other goods and services, as they all apparently are.

Rather, this is a religious merchant expressing their constitutional right to free exercise of religion by refusing to associate themselves with a ceremony that they find religiously objectionable. You know this, yet you continue to "pretend" as if you do not. Hmmmm.
I will agree with this when Holy Communion is replaced with Sanctified Cake Baking and Decorating on Sunday mornings. Making and selling a cake is not a religious ceremony. That's all any customer is asking of a bakery. What the customer does with the cake once they pay for it and leave the shop is nobodies business but their own.
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