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M&S faces boycott as it lets Muslim staff refuse to sell alcohol or pork
Furious M&S customers threatened to boycott the store last night for allowing Muslim checkout staff to refuse to serve customers who want to pay for alcohol or pork.
Obviously, there are the Checks and Balances in This 'Free-Market' Economy. Personally, I have no ideas why you want to give your business to those who view you as second class citizen.
"Furious M&S customers threatened to boycott the store last night for allowing Muslim checkout staff to refuse to serve customers who want to pay for alcohol or pork."
That’s a tough one. I guess if your in a predominately Muslim neighborhood you may want to adapt your practices to your clientele there. On the other hand if you are an extremely Religious Muslim you may not want to move to a country that has laws that run contrary to your belief system
As you know very well, because you have been informed repeatedly in this and the other closely related threads, this is not about discrimination based on sexual orientation. This is proven when the merchant is willing to sell these people other goods and services, as they all apparently are.
Rather, this is a religious merchant expressing their constitutional right to free exercise of religion by refusing to associate themselves with a ceremony that they find religiously objectionable. You know this, yet you continue to "pretend" as if you do not. Hmmmm.
So they weren't discriminating except in this one case?
If you sell widgets, you can not refuse to sell widgets to some but not others based on your religious beliefs.
That is still discrimination.
"Furious M&S customers threatened to boycott the store last night for allowing Muslim checkout staff to refuse to serve customers who want to pay for alcohol or pork."
That’s a tough one. I guess if your in a predominately Muslim neighborhood you may want to adapt your practices to your clientele there. On the other hand if you are an extremely Religious Muslim you may not want to move to a country that has laws that run contrary to your belief system
If you, as a Muslim, accept the job and part of the job is to checkout stuff, then you check out ALL stuff for ALL customers. Or you are free to quit and find another job with different duties and requirements.
If we expect a Christian baker to make a wedding cake regardless of the sexual orientation of the customer because he opened a PUBLIC bakery, we should expect the same of Muslims when they accept positions in a PUBLIC market.
I do read my Bible and it says explicitly that homosexual acts are a sin.
and yes Christ ate with sinners and he also instructed them and told them to go and sin no more.
I am not judging if someone goes to heaven or hell, only God can do that, but we are all called to be Christ like and point out to others their sins. If we can't do that, then we do not need a church either.
Passages in the Bible also say not to eat shellfish, get divorced, get tattoos, wear polyester or wear gold, but those ones seem to be ignored.
As you know very well, because you have been informed repeatedly in this and the other closely related threads, this is not about discrimination based on sexual orientation. This is proven when the merchant is willing to sell these people other goods and services, as they all apparently are.
Rather, this is a religious merchant expressing their constitutional right to free exercise of religion by refusing to associate themselves with a ceremony that they find religiously objectionable. You know this, yet you continue to "pretend" as if you do not. Hmmmm.
Pretty simple and straight forward. If it is a non-profit religious organization they can. If it is a for-profit business that happens to be owned by a Muslim, they can't.
I have an idea why don't you and Casper go to a Muslim bakery and ask for extra bacon to be put on your pizza. Then ask if they serve gay weddings???
Get back to us with those results, we got your back!
This is the kind of idiotic statement which shows you guys have literally no idea what the issue is.
If a Muslim baker does not offer any pork products in his store he is EQUALLY refusing to accommodate the pork eating public, out of his religious conviction, and that is OK. You can't demand someone serve you pork if they don't serve pork to anyone. If they selectively serve pork to some but not all, however, then it becomes a problem.
However, bakers of wedding cakes make a product that they hold out for sale to the general public: wedding cakes. If you offer something to one, you have to offer for all.
Get it? If a "Christian bakery" doesn't make ANY wedding cakes, then nobody -- gay or straight -- can FORCE them to bake a wedding cake. However, if the "religion" prevents cakes for gays, race-mixing, or whatever nonsense has traditionally been opposed on religious grounds in this country --- then it's a problem.
This is the kind of idiotic statement which shows you guys have literally no idea what the issue is.
If a Muslim baker does not offer any pork products in his store he is EQUALLY refusing to accommodate the pork eating public, out of his religious conviction, and that is OK. You can't demand someone serve you pork if they don't serve pork to anyone. If they selectively serve pork to some but not all, however, then it becomes a problem.
However, bakers of wedding cakes make a product that they hold out for sale to the general public: wedding cakes. If you offer something to one, you have to offer for all.
Get it? If a "Christian bakery" doesn't make ANY wedding cakes, then nobody -- gay or straight -- can FORCE them to bake a wedding cake. However, if the "religion" prevents cakes for gays, race-mixing, or whatever nonsense has traditionally been opposed on religious grounds in this country --- then it's a problem.
You do know they will never understand the simple lesson you have been attempting to teach them, don't ya, faaaaaar too deep.
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