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Anti-discrimination laws cannot trump closely-held corporations' (not publicly traded) owners' First Amendment right to exercise their religion. So ruled SCOTUS in the Hobby Lobby decision.
Publicly traded conglomerate owned bakeries, however, cannot refuse to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding.
Please show me the case that said anything about first amendment rights and anti-discrimination laws. because the HL case did not involve anti-discrimination laws it involved the ACA laws.
Please show me the case that said anything about first amendment rights and anti-discrimination laws. because the HL case did not involve anti-discrimination laws it involved the ACA laws.
It involved law, period. The right to exercise one's religion, on which federal and state RFRAs are based, cannot be trumped by anti-discrimination laws.
The Hobby Lobby ruling is exactly an example of that... Hobby Lobby's objection was to the following contraceptive/abortifacient pharmaceuticals/devices:
Plan B "morning-after pill"
Ella "morning-after pill"
Hormonal and copper intrauterine devices (IUDs)
SCOTUS upheld HL's right to refuse to provide insurance coverage for such to its employees.
Furthermore, since all of the above are only used by women, an argument could be made that it was gender-based discrimination. SCOTUS was having none of that, so gays will just have to go to bakeries and wedding goods/services vendors that welcome their business. I don't see how that's a problem. I certainly don't patronize businesses that don't welcome my business. I don't scream discrimination. I just move on. Someone who actually wants your business is going to do a better job, anyway.
This whole thing smacks of a gay guerilla activist witch hunt. And given the Chick-fil-A backfire and the huge amount of gofundme money raised in a short time for Memories Pizza, the general public is sick of the gay guerilla activist's bullying tactics.
wow 33 pages about a friggin cake !!! and btw if you ever actually watch any of crowders videos on youtube you'd see he the same type of jackass as breitbart's o'keefe the same guy who wanted to prove voter fraud so badly he himself committed it!! So can we get this up to 40 pages or are the mods going to shut this stupid thread down already? Then after that is done we could get another 20 more threads about this and benghazi, maybe even throw in some more threads about pelosi or the guy who said guam will tip over or blah blah blah blah blahhhhhhhh..... COMMUNISTT!!!!!!
If activist gays and liberals didn't make such an issue over this then there wouldn't be the need for "33 pages about a friggin cake" -- or more. It's the far left, the activists, their in-your-face attitudes that create these issues. Why go to all that trouble to force a business to close down just because it's Christian?
You know you can get a cake someplace else. Why must it be this business and none other?
We all know it's not getting the cake that is the issue. It's forcing everyone to agree with you that is your issue. And the argument is carried to extreme, ridiculous examples by -- you guessed it -- the left.
"You MUST agree, or we'll force you out of business" is the goal. The fact that they trample on others' rights is immaterial to the intolerant gays and left leaning community.
It involved law, period. The right to exercise one's religion, on which federal and state RFRAs are based, cannot be trumped by anti-discrimination laws.
The Hobby Lobby ruling is exactly an example of that... Hobby Lobby's objection was to the following contraceptive/abortifacient pharmaceuticals/devices:
Plan B "morning-after pill"
Ella "morning-after pill"
Hormonal and copper intrauterine devices (IUDs)
SCOTUS upheld HL's right to refuse to provide insurance coverage for such to its employees.
Furthermore, since all of the above are only used by women, an argument could be made that it was gender-based discrimination. SCOTUS was having none of that, so gays will just have to go to bakeries and wedding goods/services vendors that welcome their business. I don't see how that's a problem. I certainly don't patronize businesses that don't welcome my business. I don't scream discrimination. I just move on. Someone who actually wants your business is going to do a better job, anyway.
This whole thing smacks of a gay guerilla activist witch hunt. And given the Chick-fil-A backfire and the huge amount of gofundme money raised in a short time for Memories Pizza, the general public is sick of the gay guerilla activist's bullying tactics.
The gender argument only applies if they offered the coverage for those items to males but not females. But they do not cover them for anyone male or female.
If you believe that the HL case covers ALL laws when it comes to religious freedom, they congratulations, you just nullified all laws in this country. Anyone can claim anything is a religious belief including drug use, rape, theft, murder, animal abuse, child abuse, etc.
Time to start a religion that nullifies all laws that I don't like. First up, traffic laws, then maybe zoning laws.
I'll call it the church of anything goes.
The gender argument only applies if they offered the coverage for those items to males but not females. But they do not cover them for anyone male or female.
Those services are only accessed by females. SCOTUS didn't even bother to entertain gender discrimination because it was subjugated by HL owners' First Amendment Religious Freedom rights, further guaranteed by RFRA.
Those services are only accessed by females. SCOTUS didn't even bother to entertain gender discrimination because it was subjugated by HL owners' First Amendment Religious Freedom rights, further guaranteed by RFRA.
Funny, my insurance covers viagra, even though I will never need it.
If it's employer-provided insurance, your employer is both not a closely held corporation and has no religious objection to such a provision.
The point is the coverage covers ALL men and women, regardless of who will use it.
Just like HL does not provide those medications for anyone male or female, regardless of who would use it.
Of course not. Everyone knows that Muslims get a pass. It's everyone else who must be tolerant.
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