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Was just watching a report on the situation in Calais in the evening news. And I have to say I am proud of the French volunteers working around the clock, collecting and distributing shoes and clothes, food and hygiene stuff among the migrants, some of whom are sleeping in the grass along the streets, without any blankets. Those migrants seem so happy that someone is even talking to, smiling at and touching them. It's touching.
I don't agree. Those differences between then and now are arbitrary because we would like to apply a double standard in order to justify ourselves and criminalize others.
So? Those people come here, or try to anyway, as individuals, there is no leader or common goal or anything. It is just thousands of individuals looking for safety and a better life. Of course many won't find it, but they don't know that, yet. Some may even know it, but really, if I have barely saved my life in a war-torn hell like Syria, do you really think I would give a rat's ass about another country's immigration laws? I sure would not. Anything is better than living in a war zone. It's like with stealing: if I were really hungry and had no job and money, I would steal food in the supermarket - without any poor conscience at all.
Britain and France don't have economic problems because of immigrants. There are places with lots of immigrants that are nevertheless doing well, while there are places with hardly any immigrants that are nevertheless in bad shape.
I have not heard of that rape problem so far.
One would have to take a closer look at who exactly those people are. I assume most of them are unemployed young men who are not integrated in society.
I assume to some men from very conservative countries such as Afghanistan dealing with a lightly dressed woman in the West is quite a psychological challenge. We Westerners are used to it by now ^^
Geez, what part of there were no immigration laws, established governments and borders back then that you don't you get? You cannot compare yesterday to today! Our population has grown tremendously since then also with a shortage of jobs and resources. We allow in 1 million legal immigrants annually yet you protest? WTH? Most illegal aliens coming here today are not refugees escaping war, etc. they are here for economic gain at the expense of the U.S. taxpayer. What part of that don't you get either? So it's ok for them to steal the food off the plates of Americans because they lack the courage to fix their own damned country?
One could have said the same thing to the emigrants from Britain, Germany etc. who also went to what was to become the US instead of fixing their own countries and making it there.
Legal immigrants are no problem, they contribute more than they cost. It is the same over here. Brain drain is one key aspect. Don't blame immigrants when your companies prefer to hire Asians.
One could have said the same thing to the emigrants from Britain, Germany etc. who also went to what was to become the US instead of fixing their own countries and making it there.
Legal immigrants are no problem, they contribute more than they cost. It is the same over here. Brain drain is one key aspect. Don't blame immigrants when your companies prefer to hire Asians.
No you can't say the same thing. The immigrants from Europe may have come here for some of the same reasons but they still did so legally. You can't seem to grasp that concept. Why would companies prefer Asians over any other group? Is everyone else inferior?
One could have said the same thing to the emigrants from Britain, Germany etc. who also went to what was to become the US instead of fixing their own countries and making it there.
Legal immigrants are no problem, they contribute more than they cost. It is the same over here. Brain drain is one key aspect. Don't blame immigrants when your companies prefer to hire Asians.
Statute of limitations has passed. Pretty much all of those people you're talking about are dead. Too; your people; I'm guessing you're some kind of "European", they did lots of nasty stuff to each other 70 years ago.
I was talking about what countries have done for each other.
Well, aren't you just the great sophisticate!
Yes, you do.
And it says a lot about your character that you don't acknowledge that undeniable fact.
We generously welcomed millions of European immigrants. We didn't have to, but we did. That is a fact.
The Indians were immigrants, too -- over the Bering Strait.
You act as though white Americans were the only imperialists ever to exist. Oh, wait. Wasn't Europe the biggest imperialist of all? Why yes, it was!
Without NATO, you'd be speaking Russian and living in poverty.
But France, England, Germany, Italy, Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal and Austria never were? Spare me your self-righteous amnesia.
Yeah, Europeans were just so nice during the 100 Years War, the 30 Years War, WW I, WW II, etc. So delightful.
Well, of course it is. It has shown itself to be superior and shown that Europe is morally, culturally, intellectually, economically and militarily washed up and defenseless without the U.S. I guess I would resent that, too. Being demoted to second place is a real drag, isn't it?
A European calling the U.S. fascist. That's hilarious. You're the guys who invented fascism and are responsible for extermination camps, secret police, etc.
Oh, you poor dears. Having to put up with American tourists and American protection. Gosh! That must be tough!
We are there because the Germans want us there. Do you think we enjoy wasting our tax dollars on defending ingrates like you?
No, Americans rebuilt Europe.
Nonsense. Germans were starving in bombed out cities, and Americans were much nicer to them as occupiers than the British, French and Russians were. Because of America's help, Germany became an economic powerhouse, bringing the rest of Europe up with it.
Having no class, however, you bite the hand that fed you.
The best? No, you're yesterday. You don't count anymore, except as a museum. Your best people came to America and made our universities number one in the world, New York City is the world capital of intellect and culture and has been since WW II. No one goes to Paris or London anymore to rub elbows with the intellectual and artistic elite. I wish it were not so, but Europe exhausted itself in two world wars and lost the best of its youth, leaving only people like you.
They were not integrated into the army and had very little to do with fighting in Europe.
Wow, so Hollywood and San Francisco forced Hitler to kill people. That's a new one.
California forced the French to hand over the Jews to Hitler, giving them a good kick in the rear end on the way to the gas chamber.
Okay, whatever.
Have your grandchildren contact my grandchildren when they want to flee Europe because of Sharia Law. I'm sure my grandchildren will be waiting for the call with bated breath -- not.
Agreed tho some people don't like the truth and try to pass off their own "issues" onto other people.
Was just watching a report on the situation in Calais in the evening news. And I have to say I am proud of the French volunteers working around the clock, collecting and distributing shoes and clothes, food and hygiene stuff among the migrants, some of whom are sleeping in the grass along the streets, without any blankets. Those migrants seem so happy that someone is even talking to, smiling at and touching them. It's touching.
I'm def proud of the Brits putting their foot down and, saying "enough is enough" towards illegal aliens.
Was just watching a report on the situation in Calais in the evening news. And I have to say I am proud of the French volunteers working around the clock, collecting and distributing shoes and clothes, food and hygiene stuff among the migrants, some of whom are sleeping in the grass along the streets, without any blankets. Those migrants seem so happy that someone is even talking to, smiling at and touching them. It's touching.
This feeling you get seeing this is the same feeling that a cuckold gets watching another man sleep with his woman.
It's interesting how you say obviously untrue things, and then I have to correct you.
Can't you make this more interesting?
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they always act out of egoism.
And they also help in certain cases.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Basic logic -- I suggest you study it.
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No, I don't owe anyone anything, except for my parents.
Well, before you said you didn't owe ANYBODY anything, so we're making some progress here.
In fact, you owe a lot MORE people than just your parents.
Your freedom and prosperity are the result of long centuries of struggle -- which you apparently do not appreciate.
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Again, your ancestors simply allowed others to have a share of the prey, as long as there was so much of it that it didn't matter.
My ancestors didn't have to let starving Irish and Scandinavians, Italians and Poles, Germans and Russians into this country, but they did anyway.
What exactly have you ever done for anyone?
Nothing, I suspect.
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Indeed, those European countries you mention are good countries today. Some of them had colonies and were imperialist in the past
ALL of the ones I mentioned had colonies -- every single one of them.
They were much more brutal than the English colonists who settled America.
Just take Belgium as an example.
King Leopold turned the entire Congo into a virtual concentration camp, with brutal whippings and limb amputations.
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but they have become good countries.
Europe only became "good" because it was devastated by two world wars, then divided between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.
Western Europe -- protected STILL by the United States -- can afford to be "good."
It can afford to sit on its high and mighty pedastal and judge those who protect it, while it does nothing to protect itself.
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With the US that is not the case, it has not improved, just replaced internal wrongdoing with external wrongdoing, although the racism at home is still there as well.
Deal with tens of millions of non-whites, and then we'll talk about racism.
In the meantime, I'm not interested in your pronouncements from your Ivory Tower.
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And yes, people in Europe TODAY are nicer than Americans TODAY.
No, they aren't.
They are spoiled ingrates.
They can't even be nice to the Americans who did so much for them.
If you can't even be nice to the person who shelters you when you're cold, feeds you when you're hungry, and protects you when you're on the verge of being attacked, then you know what?
You are anything but nice!
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All kinds of statistics show that Scandinavia is the leader in most disciplines. The US is mostly mass, not class.
Wrong.
Scandinavia is in a socialist slumber, and has been for a long time.
Everything about it is third rate -- its universities, etc.
Give me a break! Scandinavia? Really??? LOL.
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The US as a country, yes, it is one of the world's biggest problems.
Yeah, protecting your ungrateful rear end from the Russians is really a big problem for you!
Living in a mansion is a big problem for me -- so many servants to manage!
Sigh!
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Germans, i.e. the people, do not want you there
False.
The Germans -- excluding the lunatic Left -- are just fine with us being there.
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the German government might, though, or at least they don't do anything against it, yet.
Yeah, they haven't done anything about it for SEVENTY years.
And they aren't about to do anything about it, because they don't want to, and the German people don't want them to.
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Yes, indeed, the US likes to pay billions of dollars in Europe because of egoistic reasons. The US benefits much more than it pays.
And just how does it benefit?
The U.S. has nuclear submarines that can evade detection and destroy the Soviet Union, Communist China, and any other nuclear adversary long AFTER the U.S. itself has suffered a major nuclear attack.
It's called M.A.D. (Mutual Assured Destruction.)
The U.S. does not need Europe, Europe needs the U.S.
Period.
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TODAY Nato sucks. It has long become an imperialist organization and everyone except naive people know it.
Imperialist in what sense?
Protecting you from Russia?
Oh, geeze, what a crime!
The horror of it all!
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Europeans rebuilt Europe.
Wrong.
Americans rebuilt Europe through the Marshall Plan.
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And they will rebuild it again after the next world war. Americans helped, but of course for egoistic reasons, again.
What egoistic reasons?
Can I -- as an American -- just pop over to Europe and go on social welfare and take a job a European might need, because U.S. taxpayers' "egoism" is satisfied by helping Europe?
Hmm.
No, seems I can't do that!
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Germany would have become what it is, anyway, simply because Germans are what they are and know it.
Without the U.S., Germany would be a vassal state of Russia.
Half of it was, for 44 years.
And it could have been a lot longer.
The Soviet Union certainly did not collapse because of anything Europe did.
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Actually, you are dead wrong. NYC is the capital of neither intellect nor culture. It is simply big with millions of people, which automatically brings about a certain dynamic. But that applies to other cities as well, especially London. Most of the output of such big cities is meaningless crap, anyway.
Face it, Europe doesn't count anymore.
There is no major composer, painter, sculptor, novelist, philosopher, scientist or mathematician that Europe has produced in the last seventy years whose name is familiar to the educated -- much less to everyone else.
There is no Beethoven, no Leonardo, no Michelangelo, no Balzac, no Kant, no Newton, no Einstein...
America has been the scientific and technological powerhouse -- as well as the world capital of commerce and innovation -- ever since the end of WW II.
The fine arts in America are nothing to write home about -- but that is because America has bought into the decadence that began in Europe. The endless parade of fads and fashions, of leftist politics and fake rebellion. If that ever ends, it won't be because of Europe, that's for sure.
America has been the capital of popular culture.
And the leading lights of high culture wouldn't dream of ignoring New York -- whereas they might safely ignore Paris, London and Rome.
The world's leading universities and technical institutes are in America -- and have been for a long time.
Europe is museum.
Don't get me wrong -- I love that museum.
But, alas, its curators are fools, unworthy of their inheritance.
Statute of limitations has passed. Pretty much all of those people you're talking about are dead. Too; your people; I'm guessing you're some kind of "European", they did lots of nasty stuff to each other 70 years ago.
Everyone did in the past, including the US, killing up to 10m Africans in the context of slavery, not to mention all the abuse of millions who did not die.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
No you can't say the same thing. The immigrants from Europe may have come here for some of the same reasons but they still did so legally. You can't seem to grasp that concept. Why would companies prefer Asians over any other group? Is everyone else inferior?
I don't think the term legal or illegal applied when there were no laws regarding immigration. Yet, the concept of stealing land from others was certainly there.
I don't know, I assume they think Asians are more intelligent and thus their businesses benefit from hiring Asians. That is probably why Asians dominate the Silicon Valley.
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Originally Posted by Supachai
This feeling you get seeing this is the same feeling that a cuckold gets watching another man sleep with his woman.
Ts. Humans are humans, and those migrants are not bad people just because they are not welcome usually. Since many of them will eventually end up staying here one way or another, it makes sense to treat them well so they won't turn against us later on.
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Originally Posted by dechatelet
Yes, they do.
It's interesting how you say obviously untrue things, and then I have to correct you.
Can't you make this more interesting?
And they also help in certain cases.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Basic logic -- I suggest you study it.
Well, before you said you didn't owe ANYBODY anything, so we're making some progress here.
In fact, you owe a lot MORE people than just your parents.
Your freedom and prosperity are the result of long centuries of struggle -- which you apparently do not appreciate.
My ancestors didn't have to let starving Irish and Scandinavians, Italians and Poles, Germans and Russians into this country, but they did anyway.
What exactly have you ever done for anyone?
Nothing, I suspect.
ALL of the ones I mentioned had colonies -- every single one of them.
They were much more brutal than the English colonists who settled America.
Just take Belgium as an example.
King Leopold turned the entire Congo into a virtual concentration camp, with brutal whippings and limb amputations.
Europe only became "good" because it was devastated by two world wars, then divided between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.
Western Europe -- protected STILL by the United States -- can afford to be "good."
It can afford to sit on its high and mighty pedastal and judge those who protect it, while it does nothing to protect itself.
Deal with tens of millions of non-whites, and then we'll talk about racism.
In the meantime, I'm not interested in your pronouncements from your Ivory Tower.
No, they aren't.
They are spoiled ingrates.
They can't even be nice to the Americans who did so much for them.
If you can't even be nice to the person who shelters you when you're cold, feeds you when you're hungry, and protects you when you're on the verge of being attacked, then you know what?
You are anything but nice!
Wrong.
Scandinavia is in a socialist slumber, and has been for a long time.
Everything about it is third rate -- its universities, etc.
Give me a break! Scandinavia? Really??? LOL.
Yeah, protecting your ungrateful rear end from the Russians is really a big problem for you!
Living in a mansion is a big problem for me -- so many servants to manage!
Sigh!
False.
The Germans -- excluding the lunatic Left -- are just fine with us being there.
Yeah, they haven't done anything about it for SEVENTY years.
And they aren't about to do anything about it, because they don't want to, and the German people don't want them to.
And just how does it benefit?
The U.S. has nuclear submarines that can evade detection and destroy the Soviet Union, Communist China, and any other nuclear adversary long AFTER the U.S. itself has suffered a major nuclear attack.
It's called M.A.D. (Mutual Assured Destruction.)
The U.S. does not need Europe, Europe needs the U.S.
Period.
Imperialist in what sense?
Protecting you from Russia?
Oh, geeze, what a crime!
The horror of it all!
Wrong.
Americans rebuilt Europe through the Marshall Plan.
What egoistic reasons?
Can I -- as an American -- just pop over to Europe and go on social welfare and take a job a European might need, because U.S. taxpayers' "egoism" is satisfied by helping Europe?
Hmm.
No, seems I can't do that!
Without the U.S., Germany would be a vassal state of Russia.
Half of it was, for 44 years.
And it could have been a lot longer.
The Soviet Union certainly did not collapse because of anything Europe did.
Face it, Europe doesn't count anymore.
There is no major composer, painter, sculptor, novelist, philosopher, scientist or mathematician that Europe has produced in the last seventy years whose name is familiar to the educated -- much less to everyone else.
There is no Beethoven, no Leonardo, no Michelangelo, no Balzac, no Kant, no Newton, no Einstein...
America has been the scientific and technological powerhouse -- as well as the world capital of commerce and innovation -- ever since the end of WW II.
The fine arts in America are nothing to write home about -- but that is because America has bought into the decadence that began in Europe. The endless parade of fads and fashions, of leftist politics and fake rebellion. If that ever ends, it won't be because of Europe, that's for sure.
America has been the capital of popular culture.
And the leading lights of high culture wouldn't dream of ignoring New York -- whereas they might safely ignore Paris, London and Rome.
The world's leading universities and technical institutes are in America -- and have been for a long time.
Europe is museum.
Don't get me wrong -- I love that museum.
But, alas, its curators are fools, unworthy of their inheritance.
This absurd and silly argument is not even worth responding to.
Sure it will, as long as the U.S. is there to rescue it.
But you know what?
I don't like ingratitude (does anybody?), and in retrospect I think we should have left you all to the tender mercies of Hitler and Stalin.
There really wasn't a compelling reason for us to help you.
We had enough on our plate dealing with Japan.
As Oscar Wilde said, "No good deed goes unpunished" -- and that is certainly true in the case of America helping Europe.
You're not of the same mettle as the Spanish Christians of those centuries, who suffered horribly.
You are soft and decadent.
You are spoiled.
You will only learn after many harsh and tragic travails.
Scandinavia in a socialist slumber? Really? ^^ Turns out you are just another American with those typically distorted views of reality. There is nothing socialist about Scandinavia.
Compare Scandinavia to the US with its huge shady military industrial sector depending on massive government funding.
NYC and high culture? Maybe Americans get that impression as they tend to get around little and not speak foreign languages. But as I said, it is just an impression. NYC and the US in general is associated with light culture here. The only high culture the US has produced is Jazz, everything else is just ruminating and modifying European culture.
If I had as much time as you obviously have, I could go on and do the same with everything else you said. But I have to work.
And yes, I am a nice person. I only have to thank my parents for the sacrifices they made, just like they have to thank me for giving their lives a purpose. That's all there is.
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