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Old 05-22-2015, 04:56 PM
 
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Stop playing silly! That poster is not rejoicing about incest.
So how do you rationalize the following:

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Originally Posted by Zenstyle
Hooray! TLC has pulled their t.v. series!
Josh Duggar Molestation Claims: TLC Pulls '19 Kids and Counting'

Yes, I do rejoice. Bite me, fundamentalists.
The only thing I can make of it is that the poster is rejoicing that something bad happened to the Duggars (fundamentalist). That bad thing just so happens to be molestation. Why would the word "rejoice" be used in any way when referring to this event?

You can give me your interpretation if you'd like.

 
Old 05-22-2015, 05:01 PM
 
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So how do you rationalize the following:



The only thing I can make of it is that the poster is rejoicing that something bad happened to the Duggars (fundamentalist). That bad thing just so happens to be molestation. Why would the word "rejoice" be used in any way when referring to this event?

You can give me your interpretation if you'd like.
He's glad the show is gone.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 05:05 PM
 
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He's glad the show is gone.
And what happened to make the show be gone? Exactly.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 05:19 PM
 
Location: The Mitten.
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He's glad the show is gone.
Yes, and so is she.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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What's disturbing to me is that from all accounts, Josh himself said he confessed to his father. Confessed what? Touching and fondling? If anything more serious went on, I doubt he'd say anything about it and I think his sisters, in that household, wouldn't say anything either. All we know so far is what we've read and if something else happened that wasn't reported, how would anyone know about it?

I have heard people talking about when the sisters moved into their new TLC home, that they insisted that they all share a room together. Was that a way of protecting themselves? And is the reason Jana still at home because she feels someone has to look out for the littler girls?

I'm hoping for the best here: that nothing else really did happen and that Josh really has changed for the better. People can change. They rarely do, but they can. And if the girls have forgiven him, that in itself is a part of healing. If all that's the case, then what we're all doing here is making a mountain out of a mole hill. It's over and done with and no one can go back and change what happened.

I hope that's what's happening. Because if not, there's a lot of people that have been hurt and who are just going to be hurt worse as this thing keeps going.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 05:23 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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I've never watched the show and could really care less as to how many kids they have or whatever, but I have noticed that there seem to be a lot of people in jubilation this has occurred.

I think it's kind of despicable so many of you seem so happy this happened. Obviously, it's not even in the same universe in terms of the horrendous acts carried out by this pervert who molested his sisters, but I still find it pretty bad that so many seem to rejoice that it happened.
I don't see any rejoicing, but it sure looks as though its given a number of those inclined, an excuse to judge and condemn a family because what the family represents is in conflict with their own beliefs or agendas. So they assume, speculate, and embellish on the information that was made public, and express their righteous indignation on their own versions of the story.

Not rejoicing that it happened, but perhaps "tittilated" in their anticipation of seeing someone they despise in trouble. And wishing him/them the worst.

This said, there is no way that this was not a heinous thing for the Dugger boy to do. But based on the reports, the parents handled the matter in the ways they believed best for their family, and while we may not agree with how they did so, the object was any corrective action is to prevent the recurrence of the wrongdoing. It appears that this was the case, and for those who assume the girls were not counseled or received help to come to terms with what happened to them, the fact that this was not reported doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 05:29 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I don't see any rejoicing, but it sure looks as though its given a number of those inclined, an excuse to judge and condemn a family because what the family represents is in conflict with their own beliefs or agendas. So they assume, speculate, and embellish on the information that was made public, and express their righteous indignation on their own versions of the story.

Not rejoicing that it happened, but perhaps "tittilated" in their anticipation of seeing someone they despise in trouble. And wishing him/them the worst.

This said, there is no way that this was not a heinous thing for the Dugger boy to do. But based on the reports, the parents handled the matter in the ways they believed best for their family, and while we may not agree with how they did so, the object was any corrective action is to prevent the recurrence of the wrongdoing. It appears that this was the case, and for those who assume the girls were not counseled or received help to come to terms with what happened to them, the fact that this was not reported doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Well, here's the thing. They failed to take 'corrective action to prevent the recurrence of the wrongdoing' between 2002 and 2003. I blame the parents all the way. They failed - period.

I feel for a 14 year old boy that had obvious issues. Who's parents turned to two men for 'assistance'; one of who is in jail right now for child pornography and another that has had sexual allegations made against him. I feel for the girls who are nothing more than slave labor and breeding machines.

I hope they get out. The sooner the better.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 05:31 PM
 
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I don't see any rejoicing, but it sure looks as though its given a number of those inclined, an excuse to judge and condemn a family because what the family represents is in conflict with their own beliefs or agendas. So they assume, speculate, and embellish on the information that was made public, and express their righteous indignation on their own versions of the story.

Not rejoicing that it happened, but perhaps "tittilated" in their anticipation of seeing someone they despise in trouble. And wishing him/them the worst.

This said, there is no way that this was not a heinous thing for the Dugger boy to do. But based on the reports, the parents handled the matter in the ways they believed best for their family, and while we may not agree with how they did so, the object was any corrective action is to prevent the recurrence of the wrongdoing. It appears that this was the case, and for those who assume the girls were not counseled or received help to come to terms with what happened to them, the fact that this was not reported doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I don't think it did happen. I think if the Duggars had sought professional counseling for the victims, it would have come out by now since they are in damage control-mode.

They have probably been made to feel that their sinful bodies tempted their brother to his actions.

This kind of thing doesn't just come out of nowhere btw. My ex husband spent a year working with juvenile sex offenders. The vast majority of them had been molested themselves.

The fact that Jim Bob was buddies with a cop doing time for child porn makes me wonder if Josh wasn't a victim himself.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 05:37 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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This is what pissed me off the most. Those poor girls who were damaged first by the molestation, and continuing to be damaged by their own parents saying it was somehow their own fault because of they way they look. I was raised in a house/religion like that, and I know for a fact that kind of thing completely changes a girl's entire life, and not for the better. There will be problems that continue throughout those girls lives.

We're not hearing about any help the girls received. Did they receive non-religious counselling? Has anyone -- anyone at all? -- ever told them that they're not at fault? I feel so bad for the girls being treated like 2nd class citizens, being thrown under a bus to protect their oh so much more important male sibling.
I think you are doing a lot of speculation, perhaps projection in your post.

There is no evidence that the parents blamed the girls for what happened to them, or that they received no counseling, or support in dealing with and coming to terms with what happened to them. Perhaps that was your experience (frankly it was mine too), and if so, I am truly sorry you have to live withthat. But it doesn't give you a window into the issues in a case that have not been made public.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Tonawanda NY
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Maybe something positive can come of this case. The victims and the offender can maybe educate others on what can be done to help teens grow into "normal" adults and how young children learn to cope with a family member touching their body inappropriately. For one thing it is clear the children were educated about good touch and bad touch prior because all knew to tell the parents right away according to the police interviews, every situation was reported to an adult right away. This is VERY important because most children do not know how to react to inappropriate touching. Parent's reaction of praying and "spanking" with a rod clearly did not work after 2 incidents so they sought help.
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