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Old 05-22-2015, 08:49 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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So how do you know it is common?
As a teacher of middle school I learned it is much more common than most people think - and vastly underreported. Most of the time when parents become aware of it they do not report it to authorities.
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The prevalence of sibling sexual abuse in American society is not well documented. Researchers estimate that the rate of sibling incest may be five times the rate of parent-child sexual abuse (Finkelhor, 1980). These rates are based on reported incidence, and incest is known to be underreported. Sibling sexual abuse has been dismissed as “child’s play” in many cases and/or as a normal aspect of sexual development. More recent research has documented the traumatic, long-lasting, and damaging effects of sibling incest (Carlson, Maciol, & Schneider, 2006; Weihe, 1997). When sexual acts are initiated by one sibling without the other’s consent, sibling incest is, most often, a serious and secret problem.

Numerous factors converge to assure that in many instances—perhaps most—sibling sexual abuse remains undisclosed and unaddressed. Victims often do not see themselves as victimized, and families as well as professionals fail to recognize the abuse. The secret remains hidden, camouflaged by play and tangled in the complex dynamics of abusive sibling relationships. Incestuous behaviors are too often invisible in stressed, chaotic families. Additionally, professionals who fail to recognize indicators and opportunities to foster victim disclosure may overlook the presence of sibling incest.

November/December 2012 Issue

Sibling Sexual Abuse — Uncovering the Secret
By Margaret Ballantine, PhD, MSW, LCSW-R, and Lynne Soine, DSW, MSW, LMSW
Social Work Today
Vol. 12 No. 6 P. 18
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Incidence of sibling or cousin sexual abuse varies greatly among studies, ranging from 10% to 40% among those reporting sexual abuse, although sibling and cousin sexual abuse are about equal in such samples. Typically, the abuse begins when the victim is around six to seven years of age.

De Jong, A. (1988). Sexual Interactions Among Siblings and Cousins: Experimentation or Exploitation? Child Abuse and Neglect, 12(2), 271-279.
This is from Canada, but does explain a lot of the dynamics involved: http://www.ksacc.ca/docs/sibling_sex...nguageID=EN-US

This is from Australia, but does an excellent job as summing up much of the most recent research: http://www3.aifs.gov.au/acssa/pubs/r...m3/ressum3.pdf

As all these explain, sibling sexual abuse is more common than sexual abuse in a family from an adult.
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Old 05-22-2015, 08:55 PM
 
Location: wannabeinkentucky
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Well if I see that I am going to get cozy with the "unfriend" and "block" buttons
Just block. It unfriends them automatically.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 09:08 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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I think so too, but this is a message board, not a court of law. Do you think the girls received counseling and the family and Josh just didn't mention it?
Given the lack of details in the reports in regards to how the girls were treated so they could come to terms with what happened to them, I really couldn't speculate about that. But I do think it is entirely possible that they did not believe it necessary to satisfythe curiosity of inquiring minds about every detail, including how the girls were dealt with, in a public report.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 09:09 PM
 
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Maybe the victims don't want light shone on it.
Do you feel the same way about other crimes?

I know women who've been raped who want their names in the paper and the paper won't publish them. Don't assume abuse victims don't want their names in out there. Some feel putting their names out there will help others, take away stigma and take attention away from the perpetrator.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 09:12 PM
 
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And now there is so much "We support Josh" crap going around Facebook... does it ever occur to these people what an FU this is to his victims?
No it doesn't. Because if they admit that Josh is really a pervert who preyed on his own sisters they may have to examine exactly what they've supported all these years...
 
Old 05-22-2015, 09:15 PM
 
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Absolutely. I'll reiterate what I said somewhere upthread: the parents majorly failed all of their children, Josh included, by their inaction. They chose not to get get profession guidance and support. The end result is a media circus surrounding him and his victims, which will follow them forever.
I agree with this. Anyone who acts like this needs serious help. JB and Michelle failed all of their children.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 09:18 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Do you feel the same way about other crimes?

I know women who've been raped who want their names in the paper and the paper won't publish them. Don't assume abuse victims don't want their names in out there. Some feel putting their names out there will help others, take away stigma and take attention away from the perpetrator.
Yes, I do feel that way about other crimes. But I especially feel that way about sexual crimes and domestic violence crimes, because like it or not, justified or not, some do feel shame from being victims of that type of crime. And I absolutely feel that way about crimes that happen either to children or when someone was a child.

If they feel better about putting their name out there and/or discussing the crime committed against them I support that decision 100%, but whether or not that happens should only be the decision of the victim. My point is the media should not be allowed to re-victimize past victims just to satisfy public curiosity or beef up ratings.
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Old 05-22-2015, 09:21 PM
 
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It would appear that you are doing just that. From the get-go.
Yes I am!

You missed my point though.

Generally speaking, I don't judge others. If you search threads about the Duggars, I largely supported their right to their beliefs, way of life etc even though I don't subscribe to most of their ideas. Why? Because I believe in freedom of choice.

That being said, I find their hypocrisy astounding.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 09:22 PM
 
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Do you honestly not see the hypocrisy of this post?
Perhaps.

Generally speaking, I don't give a **** how other people live their lives. I do care when people try to campaign against the rights of others by calling them perverts when their own son has molested their daughters. Maybe its just me, though, huh?
 
Old 05-22-2015, 09:24 PM
 
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As a teacher of middle school I learned it is much more common than most people think - and vastly underreported. Most of the time when parents become aware of it they do not report it to authorities.



This is from Canada, but does explain a lot of the dynamics involved: http://www.ksacc.ca/docs/sibling_sex...nguageID=EN-US

This is from Australia, but does an excellent job as summing up much of the most recent research: http://www3.aifs.gov.au/acssa/pubs/r...m3/ressum3.pdf

As all these explain, sibling sexual abuse is more common than sexual abuse in a family from an adult.
I've been posting in the TV section. I totally agree, sexual abuse and incest are under-reported. Is it still one of every four girls or 25% and one of every seven boys (which I professionally think is under-reported) are victims of sexual abuse /incest? I can't remember if the numbers have been updated.

I've directed an agency for sexual and physical abuse. Teens and adults were treated in the Perpetrator Tract. Victims- were probably three years old for the youngest. I've treated more than my share of offenders in group and 1:1. I've also treated dozens if not hundreds of victims.

I think there are more victims than what we know. The average juvenile offender has 100 victims before s/he is an adult. I also think it is fair to ask who victimized Josh?

Another "old reference" that explains things quite well is "Out of the Shadows." I'm blitzing on the author. It's about sexual abuse.

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