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View Poll Results: Do you agree or disagree with Donald Trump on the need to build a wall between Mexico and the U.S.?
I agree that we need to build a wall. 121 79.08%
I disagree that we need to build a wall. 32 20.92%
Voters: 153. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-14-2015, 08:03 AM
 
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Trump can bluster all he wants but a wall will never be completed, nor will illegals entering via Mexico ever be stopped.

America is now addicted to them to the extent that like any other addiction; withdrawal will be a long and painful process leaving craters in your economy and politicians without voters.

The use of illegals as the precipitating basis to design and foster a vegetable growing industry in the desert was the beginning but that's now a NAFTA violation as well as an ecological one. Amazing, when you consider you ran out of water before you ran out of Mexicans with hoes.

Choke off the way they send remittance back to Mexico. Make it impossible for them to use any means, electronic or otherwise of transferring money back across the border to families in Mexico.
Craft entirely specific laws to deal with any Coyotes caught to incarcerate them for a prolonged specific term that would in turn cause those animals to refrain from coming close to the border.
ALL vehicles of commercial class must drive through a shed built over specific lanes of entry and within that shed are a host of electronic sensors to ferret out hidden contraband of EVERY nature.
Severely punish those who would hire them illegally.
Constitutionally change birthright citizenry to more stringently define those who are eligible via a LEGAL presence within the country, either through temporary visas, work permits or valid refugee status but NOT merely feet on American soil regardless of how they got there.
Remove the facility for States to give them driver's licenses or other State funded welfare as that is an enabler for them to earn a living and remain. If States can issue licenses and other bennies to them; they can damn well find them to deport them!

In short; you inspect right down to their tighty whities, every octogenarian Canadian desiring to come to the U.S. to spend their retirement funds in the sun lest they be trying to sneak in to become Walmart greeters, as though they would choose to sacrifice their Universal Healthcare in their dotage to do so, but Mexicans can walk across and find sanctuary, jobs, driver's licenses, welfare and education grants, and with no verification, they can even assist to vote in the guy who will let this fiasco continue.
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Old 07-14-2015, 08:04 AM
 
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The morning paper tells me that since 2008, 75 drug smuggling tunnels have been discovered in California and Arizona.

No wall is high enough, or deep enough. All this secure the border talk is a smoke screen. Our bought congress will enable cheap labor no matter what the cost is to the rest of us.
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Old 07-14-2015, 08:06 AM
 
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Man, I don't care what trump said. He is a blow hard idiot.

I also don't understand why a conservative would want to build a wall. What about freedom of employers and employees to hire who they want without government interference. The idea that I need to check a birth certificate and it matters where someone is born is total BULL#@!

the right to hire someone is between an employer and employee. The govt. should do what it can to facilitate that transaction.

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Donald Trump said that we have to build a wall between Mexico and the United States.


Quoting Donald Trump:


“People are pouring across our borders, which is horrible,” Trump said. “We have to build a wall. Who would — look, I build some of the greatest buildings in the world. Building a wall for me is easy. And it would be a wall. It would be a real wall. Not a wall that people walk over.”


[Like Trump, I would definitely build a truly secure wall, too. It's absurd that we have let millions and millions of illegal aliens simply cross over from Mexico into the United States without undergoing any background check or doing any vetting on them whatsoever.]
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Old 07-14-2015, 08:07 AM
 
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BruSan, most cogent post on this forum. Thank you
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Old 07-14-2015, 08:30 AM
 
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Man, I don't care what trump said. He is a blow hard idiot.

I also don't understand why a conservative would want to build a wall. What about freedom of employers and employees to hire who they want without government interference. The idea that I need to check a birth certificate and it matters where someone is born is total BULL#@!

the right to hire someone is between an employer and employee. The govt. should do what it can to facilitate that transaction.
Try again, please. NO country allows illegal immigration. IF an employer "needs" a foreign person to do a job; well, that company can step up and sponsor the person.
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Old 07-14-2015, 09:11 AM
 
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It would make more sense to just go after those that hire illegals....
Hasn't the plan of going after those who hire illegals been around for decades. It doesn't work, nor do any of the other plans that count on cooperation from groups that want illegals here or LEA's catching them.

A wall, fence, moat with gators, are better.
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Old 07-14-2015, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I think a mine field would be more effective...
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Old 07-14-2015, 09:15 AM
 
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Are we going to build one on the Canadian border?
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Old 07-14-2015, 09:15 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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What's Trump going to do about the tunnels? 120 tunnels under the border have been discovered as of today, and 62 of them are directly connected to the drug lord who just escaped via a tunnel from the Mexican prison. These are top-of-the-line tunnels that have moved a lot of people and drugs into our country. Is a wall really the answer? Doing something about the reasons they come here in the first place would do better.
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Old 07-14-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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What's Trump going to do about the tunnels? 120 tunnels under the border have been discovered as of today, and 62 of them are directly connected to the drug lord who just escaped via a tunnel from the Mexican prison. These are top-of-the-line tunnels that have moved a lot of people and drugs into our country. Is a wall really the answer? Doing something about the reasons they come here in the first place would do better.
Isn't the better question this: What is OBAMA going to do about it? You know, the guy you voted into office?
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