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Old 07-23-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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Nope. There's actually very few who don't support AGW. It's science. Science is often funded by governments and universities. The biased funding tends to be from special interests like oil industry.

The Koch brothers funded climate research and found the warming to be driven by humans.

Just relax and put your energy into promoting good, market-based policies so we don't have big government solutions as the only option

Pretending AGW isn't happening is a lost cause. The funding sources are spread around the world. There's no conspiracy.
There are thousands who don't support AGW. Let me ask you, what are your solutions? Do you actually think humans can control something as complicated as the climate? Again, what market based solution will stop continental drift?

 
Old 07-23-2015, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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We only made it through an Ice Age...
What does this have to do with global warming? At the end of the last glacial period the total human population was less than one million, so I guess we barely made it.
 
Old 07-23-2015, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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By mess you mean the one extra co2 molecule in the atmosphere that we have added out of 40,000 molecules?

They only we "we" will be able to "clean" the mess up is if 4 billion of us die off. Until then we will burn all forms of energy to stay alive.
Are you really denying the greenhouse effect?
You know better than that George...
 
Old 07-23-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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This isn't about inconvenience. It's about destabilization, about food supply, about military expenditures to keep order, insurance claims and costs, infrastructure, etc...

Nature will be fine. The sad reality is there are market externalities that need to be dealt with, whether it's the pollution choking Paris, Beijing, or Houston or global, it's all the same core problem.

Rather than defiantly resisting the facts, propose the great solutions.
the food supply will be fine also, technology like hydroponics, and airponics will cover that. and as long as the food supply is stable, the rest will all into place for the most part. the next thing is the energy supply, if it remains stable, even more things will remain stable, regardless of what the climate does.

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What does this have to do with global warming? At the end of the last glacial period the total human population was less than one million, so I guess we barely made it.
not bad considering we entered that ice age with around 30,000 humans. so we didnt "barely" make it, we actually thrived.
 
Old 07-23-2015, 03:10 PM
 
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Are you really denying the greenhouse effect?
You know better than that George...
LOL

sounded more like denying the FORCING that is actually MISSING....


that's my point. there has been zero evidence that the warming associated with CO2 rise is in fact causing positive feedbacks leading to ever greater warming. that aint happening.
 
Old 07-23-2015, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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LOL

sounded more like denying the FORCING that is actually MISSING....


that's my point. there has been zero evidence that the warming associated with CO2 rise is in fact causing positive feedbacks leading to ever greater warming. that aint happening.
The evidence is there, but you just don't want to see it....It is pretty basic physics...

Ice albedo. Ice is white and very reflective, in contrast to the ocean surface, which is dark and absorbs heat faster. As the atmosphere warms and sea ice melts, the darker ocean absorbs more heat, causes more ice to melt, and makes the Earth warmer overall. The ice-albedo feedback is a very strong positive feedback. Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Earth System Science

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/...es/albedo.html
 
Old 07-23-2015, 03:27 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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With all due respect that article is poorly written and almost incomprehensible. I struggled with it for about 10 minutes and gave up.

I do believe that most climate activists are anti-capitalist.
 
Old 07-23-2015, 03:38 PM
 
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The evidence is there, but you just don't want to see it....It is pretty basic physics...

Ice albedo. Ice is white and very reflective, in contrast to the ocean surface, which is dark and absorbs heat faster. As the atmosphere warms and sea ice melts, the darker ocean absorbs more heat, causes more ice to melt, and makes the Earth warmer overall. The ice-albedo feedback is a very strong positive feedback. Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Earth System Science

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/...es/albedo.html
uhm no.

and don't change the subject.
I am very familiar with albedo. you cannot pick arctic sea ice and dismiss Antarctic.
 
Old 07-23-2015, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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uhm no.

and don't change the subject.
I am very familiar with albedo. you cannot pick arctic sea ice and dismiss Antarctic.
When have I done that?
 
Old 07-23-2015, 04:27 PM
 
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Are you really denying the greenhouse effect?
No, of course not.

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You know better than that George...
Climate sensitivity to doubling of Co2 is far from settled science. IPCC report (AR5) gives a range from 1.5 to 4.5 C for a doubling of CO2. That's quite a range.



Btw, you didn't tell me if you believe that my summers will be 9-11F hotter in 35 years. It must be true right? The models say so
http://www.city-data.com/forum/40516233-post25.html


And tell me, how do we solve this "problem" without denying billions of people affordable reliable energy?


Here is something more for you to lose sleep over....


Even if greenhouse gas levels were cut immediately, the researchers claim the warming of the oceans is predicted to continue for centuries and millennia. It seems we might have reached the tipping point, and crashed over the edge.
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