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Sadly you are correct. Facts are totally meaningless to Stalinist gun banners and their Leftist puppeteers.
Stalin didn't even consider banning personal firearms until one of the high-ranking members of his political apparatus got assassinated. He didn't want people using guns against the government, but apparently didn't believe they posed a crime problem.
I do hope Obama and Hillary try to push some moronic gun-grabbing legislation before elections. Right after TPP... open free trade with Asia and go after guns... what's the better way to alienate whatever Union members still vote Democratic ?
I already covered that -- California has the strictest gun regulation in the country, and their violence and murder rates are at the national average. If strict gun regulation worked like you hoped it did, California would be the safest state in the country.
You make an argument in favor of Federal gun legislation, since obviously trying to enact gun laws at the State level is pointless considering people can just cross state lines and buy whatever they want.
I can see giving a mental health evaluation to high school students on a blanket basis for a number of reasons (kids that age often have problems and need help).
Because schools do such a banner job evaluating students, especially after the right-wing politicians are done gutting all their funding.
However we have something they don't - ghettos. More than 50% of all murders in the US are committed by the minority that makes up less than 14% of population. And when you consider that most are not criminals, we have a tiny percentage of the overall population committing 52% of all murders. And I can bet you they don't legally buy guns. Now that's the real problem. But of course you will not acknowledge it, will you ?
Oh an by the way... as terrible as the Oregon shootings were, the murder rate in Oregon (2.0 per 100,000) is comparable to Belgium, Finland and Ireland (1.6/100,000). And Oregon is not near the bottom of the list - some other gun friendly states like Vermont, Iowa, Utah all have very low murder rates, lower than many Western European countries. Statistically, there's no correlation between murder rate and gun ownership rate, but a very high correlation between murder rate and the % of urban black population.
IT'S NOT THE GUNS. IT'S DEMOGRAPHICS !
However, you will never acknowledge this simple fact.
You make an argument in favor of Federal gun legislation, since obviously trying to enact gun laws at the State level is pointless considering people can just cross state lines and buy whatever they want.
First, this chart is dishonest because it only looks at gun murder rates. Are you saying that stabbing someone to death is less morally wrong ?
Second, when you compare murder rates per state, you will see that most states with high gun ownership rate but low rate of black population have lower murder rates than many European countries.
Because we, as responsible Gun Owners don't want to, and see no useful purpose in that. You can't force people to have a Mental Evaluation for exercising their Constitutional Rights. Its Unconstitutional to do so, since your proposing an "Amendment" in actuality.
But you don't disagree with screening people for felony convictions and putting ex felons in prison for gun possession, does the 2nd amendment allow for that level of screening?
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