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Old 11-15-2015, 04:22 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Nobody assumed that. So, although some of them will be terrorist as long as not ALL of them are terrorist we must let them in? Why? As long as you have a certain percentage of muslims, you're going to have perpetual terrorism. There is no upside to bringing muslim here, just downsides. We don't need anymore immigrants anyway.

The US is already having usually minor muslim terrorist attacks regularly, that get downplayed as "regular" crime and the FBI is squashing terrorist plots frequently.
Who is them?
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Old 11-15-2015, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why do keep make the same argument over and over after it's been dismissed? Muslim countries have a serious problem with terrorism.

Congress could conceivably deny all immigration, or deny immigration from any particular nation. They just need to change immigration law. No one is entitled to immigrate here. There's nothing in the constitution that gives non-citizen muslims in the middle east a right to immigrate in the US.
You assume terrorists are middle eastern. At least one of the attackers was a citizen of France. Should the US cease to allow anyone from France to enter the US, just in case?

There are 70 million +/- annual tourists who enter the US, each year. How many are of Muslim Faith and of them, how many might have been radicalized?

Ideology has no geographical border.

No reason to allow any refugees from anywhere to enter the US for the foreseeable future.
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Old 11-15-2015, 06:34 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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After the deaths seen in Paris, the UK, Denmark, Germany, Sweden, and the US................. one must ask,,,,,,,,, are liberals comfortable with the consistent and expected trened of deaths among westerners at the hands of muslims transpoted into thier cultures?

What number will be too many?

10,000?

100,000?

1,000,000?

100,000,000?

What is the price in innocent lives to satisfy the leftist zeal for "multiculturalism"? Would a leftist sacrifice their own life for this pursuit?

Wake up- Liberalism is a mental disorder and seeks not only self destruction, but national destruction of the west.

What a pity we don't see you whining over the thousands of dead brought to us by the bleeding heart conservatives who sold the BS bill of goods that it was a noble thing to spend American blood and taxpayer $$$ fighting to bring democracy and a better life to Iraqis.

Conservatism is a plague and threat to America's existence.
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Old 11-15-2015, 06:38 AM
 
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No, its the cost of allowing the New World Order planners to open up borders and to shift industry and finance globally without any oversight or policing. New World Disorder is the better term because we're all going to suffer from weakened economies, terrorism, crime and loss of rights and freedoms taken away to ostensibly protect us from the very dangers and hardships they've forced on us.
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Old 11-15-2015, 06:42 AM
 
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Oh look, lets blame the left for the actions of ISIS. I suppose I could return the favor and blame the right and their war mongering for helping bring ISIS into existence. It would actually have a bigger logical basis.

Seriously though, whats wrong with you people?
What's wrong with you?

ISIS is an Islamic movement that is totally in line with what Mohammed created over 1,300 years ago.

Islam spent 1,000 years attacking the West, and is doing it again.
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Old 11-15-2015, 06:51 AM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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We can complain and moan all we want, the real message were not getting is we the USA and other western countries need to stop meddling in others affairs. We need to stop trying to make Middle Eastern countries be like us and if there are problems let those in the region address the problems.
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:06 AM
 
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What a pity we don't see you whining over the thousands of dead brought to us by the bleeding heart conservatives who sold the BS bill of goods that it was a noble thing to spend American blood and taxpayer $$$ fighting to bring democracy and a better life to Iraqis.

Conservatism is a plague and threat to America's existence.
I'm sorry, but did you just refer to GW bush as a "conservative?" so spending trillions of dollars nation building is a "conservative" position from your viewpoint. I find your ideas intriguing, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Islamism came to be seen as a struggle to return to the glorious days when Islam reigned supreme. It represents a yearning for the "pure" Islam as practiced by the prophet. Not unlike the American Amish, the movement rejects much that is innovative. Islamists, however, take the rejection of modernity a step further. They perceive those who have introduced these innovations (the West) as its enemy.

Western influence, however, was unstoppable. Consequently, writes Islamic fundamentalism expert Emmanuel Sivan in his book Radical Islam, a sense of "doom and gloom" developed among religious Muslims. Some perceived this world to be "the prison of the believers and the paradise of the unbelievers," according to Lewis. To them, this explained why Islamic values were losing out to the secularism of the West. Others argued that Allah was angry with Muslims for straying from the righteous path and was therefore punishing them for their disobedience.

In time, the Islamist vision crystallized. They not only rejected the influence of the West, they rejected the legitimacy of their own governments in the Arabic world, which they saw as subservient to the West. Thus, the overthrow of these regimes became an important part of the Islamist agenda.

At War With Whom?: A short history of radical Islam :: Middle East Forum

Here is the problem, imagine if our Amish not only believed in shunning modern America but believed that arming themselves and killing all Christians that adopted modern ways in our country and other countries that adopted them deserved death commanded by God.
Would we then blame other countries for refusing us entry into their country? I don't blame France for closing it's borders, and I won't blame them if they don't open them until this crap has been squelched.

There was just a video of them saying we will meet you Americans on your land. I mean, how much are we suppose to put up with?
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:36 AM
 
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Oh look, lets blame the left for the actions of ISIS. I suppose I could return the favor and blame the right and their war mongering for helping bring ISIS into existence. It would actually have a bigger logical basis.

Seriously though, whats wrong with you people?
Wow, bad spin. I'll explain it to you...

Every liberal has to take in a Syrian, potentially ISIS into their homes. Now go and get a couple new keys to your front door made to give to them, go buy a new bed and everything needed for their room, you got more people coming to live with you.

Oh and don't forget to let them know that they live in a gun free zone.
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Old 11-15-2015, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You assume terrorists are middle eastern. At least one of the attackers was a citizen of France. Should the US cease to allow anyone from France to enter the US, just in case?

There are 70 million +/- annual tourists who enter the US, each year. How many are of Muslim Faith and of them, how many might have been radicalized?

Ideology has no geographical border.

No reason to allow any refugees from anywhere to enter the US for the foreseeable future.
Actually several were citizens of France. But they were not of European descent.
These were the "disenfranchised Muslim youth" as the PC crowd likes to call them.
More arrests are happening in the area of Molenbeek. If you are not up to speed this area is rife with Muslim extremists.
Foreign news sites give a lot more info.

France let their Muslim citizens go to Syria to fight. But they didn't fight for France; they joined the Syrian rebels. And then France welcomed them back. Such is multiculturalism.

Ignorance is bliss; deliberate ignorance is putting your citizens in danger.
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