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Old 11-16-2015, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It doesn't matter, because the U. S. can easily borrow however many trillions are required to wage a new war in the Middle East.
The Iraq War cost $ 1 Trillion a year for 6 years when interest on incremental debt and VA benefits are factored in.

When the US engages, I hope Congress has the wood to impose a flat war tax on all gross income, including SS/ SSDI and welfare benefits with the exception of military serving in the war zone.

We all need to feel the pain of war.
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Old 11-16-2015, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The Iraq War cost $ 1 Trillion a year for 6 years when interest on incremental debt and VA benefits are factored in.

When the US engages, I hope Congress has the wood to impose a flat war tax on all gross income, including SS/ SSDI and welfare benefits with the exception of military serving in the war zone.

We all need to feel the pain of war.
We never paid off WWI debt. The debt got rolled over ..new Treasuries to pay off the old Treasuries.
In fact there's about $10 million in war bonds (WWI) that people have not cashed in yet.
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Old 11-16-2015, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Texas
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We won in Iraq. Is that a bad thing?
Explain "won" please.

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Old 11-16-2015, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Repeating Busch history??? All in fear again ready for war. When did we get attacked??
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Old 11-16-2015, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Repeating Busch history??? All in fear again ready for war. When did we get attacked??
No one attacked us until we attacked them. I'm surprised we haven't been hit more often.
We sacrifice our military personnel for something that has nothing to do with protecting our borders. We learned nothing from Korea or Vietnam.
Boobus doesn't learn.
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Old 11-16-2015, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Explain "won" please.

I know. Won means overthrow a dictator and allow extremists to take over. Otherwise why would 'Murica do it over and over again?
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:27 PM
 
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Air strikes alone will never win a war, we have been at this for over a year and ISIS still survives. If air strikes were that effective we would have won Vietnam 10 times over. The Kurds coupled with air strikes have worked, air strikes alone have not.
Air strikes have become an American canard to get us in a war. You're absolutely right. They're ineffective and in and of itself, doesn't work.

It has to be accompanied by a ground presence, and no American with half a brain wants anything to do with that.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:44 AM
 
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We won in Iraq. Is that a bad thing?
Beating IS is not an issue - less even than beating Saddam.

The problem is:
  1. What to do when thousands of IS fighters abandon their weapons and IDs, give up and claim they are refugees?
    • Do we carpet/fire bomb them ?
    • Do we execute every man between 15 and 40 ?
    • Do we send them to Gitmo or Siberia ?
  2. Who runs the country after we "win" the military battle ?
  3. How do we stop something/someone worse from filling the vacuum without occupying the country ?
  4. Why is this our problem and not the principle concern of the Gulf States ? (the US/EU/Russia should get together and pressure the Gulf states + Egypt to act.)
Until these questions call all be answered no War should proceed. Believe it or know both the Pentagon and the President understand this - some of you apparently do not.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:48 AM
 
Location: NJ
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All NATO nations should pay!
Nato is us.
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Old 11-17-2015, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Air strikes have become an American canard to get us in a war. You're absolutely right. They're ineffective and in and of itself, doesn't work.

It has to be accompanied by a ground presence, and no American with half a brain wants anything to do with that.
Ineffective? Oh come one. Estimates say that drone strikes kill 1 terrorist for every 30 innocents. That's success right?

41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes

Bring the troops home and protect the borders like the constitution says.
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