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On what basis do you think the EO's "will do nothing to prosecute criminals trying to buy guns"? The proposals are not as clear as I would like, but I see at least two that seem to suggest increasing efforts to prosecute:
- Urges Congress to pass the administration’s $4 billion proposal to keep 15,000 state and local police officers on the street to help deter gun crime.
- Maximizes efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. The president calls upon the attorney general to work with U.S. attorneys across the country to determine gaps occurring in this area and where supplemental resources are appropriate.
Increasing prosecutions will take more law enforcement resources to go out and make arrests, and more judicial resources. If congress does not fund the extra resources, then you might be right; most likely nothing will change (at least until a new congress is elected). The extra resources and "determine gaps" language suggests that some effort will be made. Has Obama, or anyone in his administration actually said "We're not going to prosecute?"
You do know any goal without measurement is crap right?
If he said "We will improve the prosecution rate for background check denials to 80% in the next five years or the Director of ATF should be fired," I'd be 100% behind him!
Why I feel the need to quote Uncle Joe, who said on record, "We don't have time for that"?
You must be from Manitiwoc County. That kind of backwards thinking is pervasive there.
Well you folks are too reactive. It's the paradox of being anti government.. You folks just can't be proactive so things are decided for you then you react.
Legal automatic weapons have only been used in 2 or 3 crimes since the laws affecting them were passed in 1934. So, what damage are you referring to?
Background checks by licensed dealers are already required to be performed in all 50 states. Another background check law won't affect anybody but law-abiding citizens. Criminals won't be affected at all by another background check law, and as has been pointed out numerous times, a background check law wouldn't have prevented any of the mass shootings in recent history.
Some people stupidly say well, why have any laws if they won't prevent crime. The answer is that nobody is saying not to have any laws. But when laws are passed that don't affect criminals but only affect law-abiding Americans, what's the point?
And finally, there is no legal way for a felon to acquire firearms now! More laws won't have any effect on them!
I don't see why it's so hard to understand except that some people just want to stay in the dark as they propose more feel-good legislation that won't do anything!
How are law abiding citizens being affected more? Where are your gun control solutions? All you are doing is saying what won't work and offering no solutions.
I'll repeat, our gun laws are intentionally complex and full of loopholes with laws changing from state to state and county to county in order to tell as many guns as possible. The system is actually setup to sell lots of guns. Federalize gun regulations. Then, what about mental health? What type of mental health issues need to be looked at to prevent gun ownership.
See above, do you not research things? Do you not read other reviews or want to make sure you understand the entire position of the person you are questioning?
oppps, I asked more questions.....dare I say I won't get an answer?
I have engaged in all too many Q&As to count, but I am not used to this amount of work simply to get to the heart of the matter, the bottom line...
Of course, we all do our research however we might define it, and I know I read quite a bit of information on a daily basis from all variety of news sources, both national and foreign, well more informative and productive than time spent here, but the big difference is that this is interactive, a place to come test one's positions if you will...
I enjoy much of that kind of thing even though I have no illusions about changing anyone's mind about anything (see my Cement Theory about that if you like).
All that said, I maintain, in fact I try to insist that my words be quoted verbatim, because they should speak for themselves. I don't see any of the rest you go on about as any sort of excuse to misrepresent someone else's view, twist or interpret them to your liking, per your agenda...
Simply quote what it is I've written verbatim, tell me why you think my view is not accurate, and I will simply respond as best I can as time allows, just like we all do according to our whims. What you won't find me doing, not intentionally anyway, is creating straw man arguments with what I "interpret" you to be saying.
Have I adequately answered your question here? Plus some?
I have engaged in all too many Q&As to count, but I am not used to this amount of work simply to get to the heart of the matter, the bottom line...
Of course, we all do our research however we might define it, and I know I read quite a bit of information on a daily basis from all variety of news sources, both national and foreign, well more informative and productive than time spent here, but the big difference is that this is interactive, a place to come test one's positions if you will...
I enjoy much of that kind of thing even though I have no illusions about changing anyone's mind about anything (see my Cement Theory about that if you like).
All that said, I maintain, in fact try to insist that my words be quoted verbatim, because they should speak for themselves. I don't see any of the rest you go on about as any sort of excuse to misrepresent someone else's view, twist or interpret them to your liking, per your agenda...
Simply quote what it is I've written verbatim, tell me why you think my view is not accurate, and I will simply respond as best I can as time allows, just like we all do according to our whims. What you won't find me doing, not intentionally anyway, is creating straw man arguments with what I "interpret" you to be saying.
Have I adequately answered your question here? Plus some?
Lol.... That poster loves to move the goal posts when shown to be incorrect or lacking in knowledge.
So your answer is, you only take one question at a time? I do not have the position to further the conversation to figure out what you overall stance is?
See above, do you not research things? Do you not read other reviews or want to make sure you understand the entire position of the person you are questioning?
oppps, I asked more questions.....dare I say I won't get an answer?
No really. Maybe when the police are killed.
WOW, so you don't let your children go to other people houses?
You found you dads gun, you are typing right now, right?
Why do people need cars? IS it because they love them or just want them? Do they need 20 - 30 -40 cars? Whhy?
Because you won't answer questions, see the first post, quote above, you asked me to stop asking questions...
Answer questions, then we can figure it out.
You accept obamas EO, because you agree with it, yet it does nothing. More laws on top of laws does not mean criminals will agree or even adhere to the law.
Well, they can say they "Did something" even if "something" is "nothing".
How are law abiding citizens being affected more? Where are your gun control solutions? All you are doing is saying what won't work and offering no solutions.
I'll repeat, our gun laws are intentionally complex and full of loopholes with laws changing from state to state and county to county in order to tell as many guns as possible. The system is actually setup to sell lots of guns. Federalize gun regulations. Then, what about mental health? What type of mental health issues need to be looked at to prevent gun ownership.
As was stated beyond count now.
Example A
If I'm a felon I walk into a gun store, buy an 80% lower, get the parts kit and upper of my choice. I can't legally put it together in an hour but I can and will. No questions asked, no background fees. All vetted by the ATF and DOJ.
Example B
I have no record, walk into a gun store, fill out the forms, pay the fees for DROS, get a background check and wait the required "cooling off period".
As was stated beyond count now.
Example A
If I'm a felon I walk into a gun store, buy an 80% lower, get the parts kit and upper of my choice. I can't legally put it together in an hour but I can and will. No questions asked, no background fees. All vetted by the ATF and DOJ.
Example B
I have no record, walk into a gun store, fill out the forms, pay the fees for DROS, get a background check and wait the required "cooling off period".
Sound fair?
Hard to tell the bottom line here either, the great conclusion drawn from all this knowledge and wisdom, but if we are talking about the problems of gun violence, simple examples or comparisons like this don't even begin to approach all the various scenarios that comprise these statistics, as posted before, true or false?
A simple question that doesn't require another battery of questions and certainly not more unsubstantiated hot air let's-play-guns one-liners...
Gun violence in the United States results in thousands of deaths and injuries annually. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000), 21,175 by suicide with a firearm, 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent" for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention). 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms.
In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicides, and 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S. In 2010, 358 murders were reported involving a rifle while 6,009 were reported involving a handgun; another 1,939 were reported with an unspecified type of firearm.
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You are confused...
