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Old 02-15-2016, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Michael Moore's New Film
Wow, that guy's still alive? I guess I got a little too good at ignoring him, I thought he was dead.
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Old 02-15-2016, 09:36 PM
 
Location: London
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I wonder if they would trade European medical innovation with American medical innovation?
You mean American innovation that Europe benefits from anyway?
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Old 02-15-2016, 09:43 PM
 
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Medical innovation won't see you for a surgery and leave you with a bill that will cause bankruptcy. In America, 61% of all bankruptcies are from medical bills.

I was listening to NPR, and they were interviewing someone from Italy, and he was speaking in Italian (interpreted) about whether or not he should spend money on a new set of tires for his delivery vehicle or an upcoming surgery. He was complaining he didn't have the money for both. In a European country, the cost of a surgery (this was the entire cost for this man) was about the same as a new set of tires. And he also mentioned he would have a week long recovery in the hospital.
Innovation is what gets all those great medicines and technology for people to use. The money and incentive has to come from somewhere, and the US offers a lot of it.

So, even with their wonderful social medicine, this Italian guy still had issues with paying for his medical care? What innovative medicine has Italy provided to the world recently? DO they even have money to research new medicines and technology? DO they even retain talented people who would stay there to do this instead of coming to the US where they can make money on their idea?
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Old 02-15-2016, 09:48 PM
 
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My view is that Americans often struggle to comprehend the truth, because Americans have been indoctrinated to believe that no other nation could possibly do anything better than the United States.

I don't deny that Michael Moore's films contain sensationalism and some inaccuracies, but he at least deserves credit for drawing attention to issues that would otherwise remain buried under the rug.

People dismiss him as "anti-American" to protect the status quo.
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Old 02-15-2016, 09:51 PM
 
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Ask any European if they would trade their healthcare for American healthcare. Get back to us with your findings.
Why do so many outsiders come to the U. S. for our God-awful health care?

We rarely hear about Americans jetting of to Europe for supposedly superior healthcare, why is that?
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Old 02-15-2016, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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They also don't border a third world country, have tens of millions of illegals or have a very large percentage of the population without any work ethic who think the government owes them everything.

We should learn something from the European countries. We should learn to let the rest of the world take care of itself, stop defending everyone else and cut foreign aid. We should also learn about restricting immigration like EU countries normally do and stop letting people in who aren't going to benefit the country.
Give it a minute, Merkel is doing her level best to give them a piece of that action. We'll see how they act in a few years...they're already ticked off...let them simmer in it a bit longer. It's easy to say that X is better than Y when X doesn't have AB messing it up...but X now has AB messing it up. Let's just sit back and watch...
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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My view is that Americans often struggle to comprehend the truth, because Americans have been indoctrinated to believe that no other nation could possibly do anything better than the United States.

I don't deny that Michael Moore's films contain sensationalism and some inaccuracies, but he at least deserves credit for drawing attention to issues that would otherwise remain buried under the rug.

People dismiss him as "anti-American" to protect the status quo.

All true. Americans struggle to understand the truth because they are indoctrinated by all kinds of influences, only one of which is that Americans are the best at everything. Digging a little deeper, our healthcare system is ranked the 37th best in the world.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA

World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems | thepatientfactor.com
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Why do so many outsiders come to the U. S. for our God-awful health care?

We rarely hear about Americans jetting of to Europe for supposedly superior healthcare, why is that?
Who said anything about our healthcare being God-awful? We have some of the best healthcare in the world, if you can afford to pay for it. Americans do go on "medical tourism" vacations all over the world, getting medical procedures done at an affordable price.
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:21 PM
 
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All true. Americans struggle to understand the truth because they are indoctrinated by all kinds of influences, only one of which is that Americans are the best at everything. Digging a little deeper, our healthcare system is ranked the 37th best in the world.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA

World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems | thepatientfactor.com
We can even dig a little deeper and look at how American healthcare performs across specific areas in contrast to 10 other developed nations. You'll notice that the U.S. did not even top the ranking for "timeliness", contrary to popular belief:



Source: The Commonwealth Fund (2014, p. 7)
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:30 PM
 
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Europeans are smarter than Americans. That's not really saying much, I know, and is more like stating the obvious,)
When it comes to educational policies I have to agree. They are a lot more selective when it comes to going into advanced education.

Also, up until recently, they were very choosy about letting just anybody move in and start sucking up the "free" goodies.

We can learn much from them.

And make them pay more for defense. A LOT more.
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