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Old 06-25-2016, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Tony Blair on Brexit...

If the people — usually a repository of common sense and practicality — do something that appears neither sensible nor practical, then it forces a period of long and hard reflection. My own politics is waking to this new political landscape. The same dangerous impulses are visible, too, in American politics, but the challenges of globalization cannot be met by isolationism or shutting borders.
The center must regain its political traction, rediscover its capacity to analyze the problems we all face and find solutions that rise above the populist anger. If we do not succeed in beating back the far left and far right before they take the nations of Europe on this reckless experiment, it will end the way such rash action always does in history: at best, in disillusion; at worst, in rancorous division. The center must hold.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/op...ml?ref=opinion

 
Old 06-25-2016, 01:10 PM
 
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Tony Blair on Brexit...

If the people — usually a repository of common sense and practicality — do something that appears neither sensible nor practical, then it forces a period of long and hard reflection. My own politics is waking to this new political landscape. The same dangerous impulses are visible, too, in American politics, but the challenges of globalization cannot be met by isolationism or shutting borders.
The center must regain its political traction, rediscover its capacity to analyze the problems we all face and find solutions that rise above the populist anger. If we do not succeed in beating back the far left and far right before they take the nations of Europe on this reckless experiment, it will end the way such rash action always does in history: at best, in disillusion; at worst, in rancorous division. The center must hold.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/op...ml?ref=opinion
The problem with this quote, although it's a nice one, is that "the center" isn't really the center. It's more left wing propaganda. For some time now, "the center" has been nothing more than a liberals point of view of how the world should be. This has been a well known and well marketed strategy by liberals in the United States. Make anything that slightly even resembles the real center a far right radical point of view, and anything that is far left the center, just ask Obama about this.
 
Old 06-25-2016, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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The problem with this quote, although it's a nice one, is that "the center" isn't really the center. It's more left wing propaganda. For some time now, "the center" has been nothing more than a liberals point of view of how the world should be. This has been a well known and well marketed strategy by liberals in the United States. Make anything that slightly even resembles the real center a far right radical point of view, and anything that is far left the center, just ask Obama about this.
He identifies a hard right and a hard left. A center would be between these two. Logically consistent. You can argue whether it is left or right of center. Still center.

Clinton is clearly to the right of Sanders but on some issues may be to the right of Trump.
 
Old 06-25-2016, 01:17 PM
 
Location: England
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Tony Blair on Brexit...

If the people — usually a repository of common sense and practicality — do something that appears neither sensible nor practical, then it forces a period of long and hard reflection. My own politics is waking to this new political landscape. The same dangerous impulses are visible, too, in American politics, but the challenges of globalization cannot be met by isolationism or shutting borders.
[color=#333333][font=georgia]The center must regain its political traction, rediscover its capacity to analyze the problems we all face and find solutions that rise above the populist anger. If we do not succeed in beating back the far left and far right before they take the nations of Europe on this reckless experiment, it will end the way such rash action always does in history: at best, in disillusion; at worst, in rancorous division. The center must hold.
Says the man who opened the floodgates to immigration in my country, then walked away to make his fortune giving speeches in America. The man who took our country to war in Iraq, never admitting he was wrong. I don't know how he sleeps at night.

Tony Blair's donation: guilt, piety
 
Old 06-25-2016, 01:20 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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One of the reasons that Obama was against Brexit is it stopped cold his New World Order plans. People of his ilk planned to enlarge the EU and encourage similar Yen and other zones, then force them to join. Willy nilly the U.S. would have no choice but to join the party.
Proof of this?
Obama went to the UK and told them if they left the EU, they would be put at the back of the line(queue) when it comes to trade with the United States.

Barack Obama: Brexit would put UK 'back of the queue' for trade talks | Politics | The Guardian


Why do you think he said that? And furthermore, Obama has been pushing hard for more EU membership of Eastern-European countries, including our actions in Ukraine, and NATO's actions all across Eastern-Europe, from Estonia to Turkey.

US Needs to Think Twice About Antagonizing Russia


If you don't think Obama is a New World Order stooge, open your eyes man.

As Pknopp referenced, the TPP. That is all part of the globalist agenda that Obama is pushing along, even though his own party opposes it. And this doesn't even take into consideration his desire to overrun our borders with immigrants, to destroy any semblance of resistance to further immigration, and thus to destroy our borders altogether.
Of course Obama is a big fan of the "new world order." One particularly juicy quote (link) (link to White House site, not copyrighted):

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Originally Posted by Barack Obama National Prayer Breakfast
Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ. Michelle and I returned from India -- an incredible, beautiful country, full of magnificent diversity -- but a place where, in past years, religious faiths of all types have, on occasion, been targeted by other peoples of faith, simply due to their heritage and their beliefs -- acts of intolerance that would have shocked Gandhiji, the person who helped to liberate that nation.
Obama's overall world view is that the West is largely responsible for much if not all of the world's problems. He has unilaterally sought to stop deportations and essentially open the U.S.'s borders.

Now that the people of the U.K. have spoken Obama fears that the people of the U.S., if asked, do not want to equalize the West to the status of Third World hellholes.
 
Old 06-25-2016, 01:26 PM
 
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He identifies a hard right and a hard left. A center would be between these two. Logically consistent. You can argue whether it is left or right of center. Still center.

Clinton is clearly to the right of Sanders but on some issues may be to the right of Trump.
Hardly. Clinton is as far left as they get in American politics and is equal with Obama who is the most far left President this country has ever had. She's totally for open borders, amnesty to illegal aliens with no consequences for breaking laws, a race baiter, pro abortion up until the last moment the baby is to be born, a globalist, and a proudly self proclaimed "progressive", but if you ask her, she would say she's a centrist like Obama has stated he is.
Sanders seems to be an decent man who at least has the honesty to call himself who he is, a socialist. I don't know of any issue what so ever that puts Clinton on the right of Trump. None.
 
Old 06-25-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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It is MUCH easier to do so if you retain monetary sovereignty. Impossible as the EU stands and their dooming weakness. Net exporters there will constantly win. Of course this isn't anything earth shattering. Until your realize the net importers (they can't all be net exporters) will continue to dwindle as they do not have their own currency to control. So from day #1 modern money people have predicted that the EU would fail. A monetary union without a political one is doomed.
You can kick the can farther down the road with monetary sovereignty but...


A trades surplus means your partners load up on debt and that means they stop buying your products.


A trade deficit means you load up on debt and then you stop being a net importer.
 
Old 06-25-2016, 01:37 PM
 
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2 million Brits have signed petition for another vote on the issue of leaving the EU. It appears that there is a good bit of voter regret going on.

Brexit: Do you #Regrexit? - CNNPolitics.com
 
Old 06-25-2016, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Florida
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‘Brexit of Champions’: How Britain May Trigger A Political Earthquake

In this wonderful article, Seth Lipsky quotes the American Spectator for the phrase Brexit of Champions (link). On June 23, 2016 Britain votes on Brexit. Hopefully Britain votes to leave.

Britain and the EU are truly a poor fit. The UK's natural allies are its successful offspring, such countries as the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Israel and India. These countries have been successful, forward looking countries. The continental EU countries are in many respects frozen in time. They're beautiful museum pieces but like their many churches largely bereft of worshipers, are places of the past, not the future. Britain joined the EU in 1973, at a time when the U.S. was crippled by the Vietnam War and its opposition, Watergate, price controls, inflation and the energy crisis.

Now the
U.S. and other freedom-loving countries should be looking to the future, not to the mercantalist, bureaucratic past.
Yes it should, and it should not be trying to revert to industrial cities full of pollution and manufacturing to do that.

Going forward is progress not regressing to past economies that do no work.

So you believe countries should follow the UK as their currency, stock market (and ours, as well) and credit rating plunges? Their prices and costs for almost everything will increase. Flights, phone calls, taxes, and pretty much anything they buy from other countries (devalued currency).

Didn't it just take us 8 years to get out of that same hole that Bush/Cheney led us right into? I suppose some can follow Trump back into the hellhole if they want, but since we've moved steadily upward since 2007, I think we should keep moving forward.

The Brexit is already showing us what could happen if you vote on emotions over logic. Not sure any earthquakes are in the works as others have a chance to see the negative effects of this earthquake.

EU referendum: Moody's cut UK's credit outlook to 'negative' - BBC News

Brexit: Moody's downgrades UK's credit outlook from 'stable' to 'negative' | Business News | News | The Independent
 
Old 06-25-2016, 01:58 PM
 
Location: England
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2 million Brits have signed petition for another vote on the issue of leaving the EU. It appears that there is a good bit of voter regret going on.

Brexit: Do you #Regrexit? - CNNPolitics.com
Bad losers, in denial......... suck it up. We are sick of the elite, and want change.
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