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Old 05-10-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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Nature is not a social construct. The conditions are dictated by the natural world outside of what humans can control.

The man adrift in the middle of the ocean has every right in the world as long as he does not initiate force on another. Same as if he was in NYC.
Oh my word! This "anarcho-capitalist" business moves around these threads like a bad smell, regardless the title of the thread! Sure wish you few altogether banner-happy in these regards would think a bit more about the world as it really is and address our issues rationally rather than always this poor excuse of escapism, leaving the rest of us to contend with reality.

"I did not consent. The system is not my doing. I prefer a different system, as it should be. That's all that matters."

Just doesn't seem fair to me (nor make any sense from any pragmatic standpoint)...

 
Old 05-10-2016, 01:04 PM
 
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If the government states that all men are created equal, and black people are people, then why should there need to even exist federal legislation giving black people rights? For the record, I am a black man. I am also an Anarcho-Capitalist, and I do not believe in a government that needs to "issue" rights to people. People should have rights, because rights are natural law, not government law. And as the results of this, one should not need to beg the government for rights, but rather we need to abolish the government that tries to take those rights away from you. I feel that the main issue in the Civil Rights movement was that black people gave the government legitimacy by asking the government for rights. When black people should have been able to succeed despite the government, not because of government.


Now since I criticize Civil Rights, how would I have handled the situation? Well, prior to the Civil Rights movement, black people were showing amazing signs of economic progress. Because Black People understood that the government would NOT step in and help them, then that mean black people had to arm and defend themselves. They also had to build their own communities, their own businesses, build their own schools, and never need a red cent from the government. Back in the 1900s to 1960s black Americans were the most self-sufficient group in America.

I think the only way to fix black America now is to repel all Civil Rights. Because we can talk about genes and low IQs all day. But the bottomline black America is dysfunctional, because black people believe in government more than any other group in America. Black people do NOTHING but wait for government to step in and solve problems. But since the government doesn't know how to solve problems, and black people do. I think we need to just remove all government support out of the black community. Starting with giving blacks no civil rights, no right to vote, no public schools, no police force, and not 1 tax dollar going to help the black community.

The only recourse for black America will be to actually build up their own communities. This mean build their own businesses, build their own schools, and build their own infrastructure. This will stimulate greater economic activity in the black community, and this will in essence rescue the Black Community from big government.
I'm sure the African American community appreciates your take on their civil rights, since you never had to worry abiout yours. Bravo.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 01:05 PM
 
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I was adding on more, not making any kind of suggestions.
Seems you added on more about big government, not racism, which is perhaps the direction you intended.

Big or small government, however, is not what determines or corrects the level of racism or extent of the problem, though a government of "we the people" is right to try for better in any case.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 01:06 PM
 
Location: PA
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Originally Posted by branh0913 View Post
If the government states that all men are created equal, and black people are people, then why should there need to even exist federal legislation giving black people rights? For the record, I am a black man. I am also an Anarcho-Capitalist, and I do not believe in a government that needs to "issue" rights to people. People should have rights, because rights are natural law, not government law. And as the results of this, one should not need to beg the government for rights, but rather we need to abolish the government that tries to take those rights away from you. I feel that the main issue in the Civil Rights movement was that black people gave the government legitimacy by asking the government for rights. When black people should have been able to succeed despite the government, not because of government.


Now since I criticize Civil Rights, how would I have handled the situation? Well, prior to the Civil Rights movement, black people were showing amazing signs of economic progress. Because Black People understood that the government would NOT step in and help them, then that mean black people had to arm and defend themselves. They also had to build their own communities, their own businesses, build their own schools, and never need a red cent from the government. Back in the 1900s to 1960s black Americans were the most self-sufficient group in America.

I think the only way to fix black America now is to repel all Civil Rights. Because we can talk about genes and low IQs all day. But the bottomline black America is dysfunctional, because black people believe in government more than any other group in America. Black people do NOTHING but wait for government to step in and solve problems. But since the government doesn't know how to solve problems, and black people do. I think we need to just remove all government support out of the black community. Starting with giving blacks no civil rights, no right to vote, no public schools, no police force, and not 1 tax dollar going to help the black community.

The only recourse for black America will be to actually build up their own communities. This mean build their own businesses, build their own schools, and build their own infrastructure. This will stimulate greater economic activity in the black community, and this will in essence rescue the Black Community from big government.

At the time government was needed to override unconstitutional laws created by states and the federal government. You could remove those laws but new laws could not be in place to against the constitutional law of free people bringing about state's trying to create unnatural law of the basic rights of mankind. Case in point other laws which are not constitutional in nature have all ready been put into place.. Adding the right for women to vote etc had to be ADDED which again was to protect a right that appears to have been missed in 1776 based on the social times of America and history. Again rights that protect common nature law should be common sense. The right to a free college, or the right to "x" dollars is not natural law, this is just people trying to define "socialism of democracy" not actually freedom.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 01:12 PM
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Nothing in life is fair. Making rules to make sure those who cannot qualify to get into college get in anyway is not fair to the other race who did qualify but didn't get in because someone else got in because of their race or gender.

Our government is threatening the safety of women and children in bathrooms and public dressing rooms. Therefore the civil rights of those women and children are being ignored while others who have never been discriminated against are getting unlawful special treatment by the corrupt Obama administration. We need to end this PC madness and use a little logic in our laws again.

Nobody needs civil rights in America when the constitution states that all men are created equal. But no one should be allowed to require that someone hire someone they don't want to hire when we live in a country where anyone can go out and start their own business if they cannot find a job.

When I look back at history and see how many times our laws have been violated for the PC crowd; it is amazing to me that our country is still standing.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 01:13 PM
 
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So, then, the individual (and his gang) who gains the most physical power is the "fittest" and dictates what "rights" anyone else may have.


Notice that this, too, is a social structure.
No. I never mentioned physically overpowering anyone. I'm an adherent to Ayn Rand and Objectivism. That philosophy specifically states using no PHYSICAL force unless used against another individual first.

Rand knew that in the end those of intellect and productivity would eventually win against brute force. Call me crazy, but I still believe that. Even considering the prospect of Trump v Clinton in 2016. Neither is worthy and neither represents anything close to what the U.S. needs or REALLY wants. Don't bug Libertarians. We're ornery but still HOPEFUL that some day the U.S. will be re-instated as written in the Constitution.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 01:16 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by branh0913 View Post
If the government states that all men are created equal, and black people are people, then why should there need to even exist federal legislation giving black people rights? For the record, I am a black man. I am also an Anarcho-Capitalist, and I do not believe in a government that needs to "issue" rights to people. People should have rights, because rights are natural law, not government law. And as the results of this, one should not need to beg the government for rights, but rather we need to abolish the government that tries to take those rights away from you. I feel that the main issue in the Civil Rights movement was that black people gave the government legitimacy by asking the government for rights. When black people should have been able to succeed despite the government, not because of government.


Now since I criticize Civil Rights, how would I have handled the situation? Well, prior to the Civil Rights movement, black people were showing amazing signs of economic progress. Because Black People understood that the government would NOT step in and help them, then that mean black people had to arm and defend themselves. They also had to build their own communities, their own businesses, build their own schools, and never need a red cent from the government. Back in the 1900s to 1960s black Americans were the most self-sufficient group in America.

I think the only way to fix black America now is to repel all Civil Rights. Because we can talk about genes and low IQs all day. But the bottomline black America is dysfunctional, because black people believe in government more than any other group in America. Black people do NOTHING but wait for government to step in and solve problems. But since the government doesn't know how to solve problems, and black people do. I think we need to just remove all government support out of the black community. Starting with giving blacks no civil rights, no right to vote, no public schools, no police force, and not 1 tax dollar going to help the black community.

The only recourse for black America will be to actually build up their own communities. This mean build their own businesses, build their own schools, and build their own infrastructure. This will stimulate greater economic activity in the black community, and this will in essence rescue the Black Community from big government.

LOL move to Africa! Your dream is already a reality! No one buys black people anything there!

This has to be a joke. Not to mention you say black people shouldn't get distinct treatment from the government, and two paragraphs later say that they should (get cut off from everything).
 
Old 05-10-2016, 01:24 PM
 
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I think the only way to fix black America now is to repel all Civil Rights.
Black America doesn't need to be "fixed". Certain individuals need to be dealt with. However, this is what I see. There are more Blacks with college degrees, a middle class standard of living, and in the ranks of the professional world than ever before.

Before the Civil Rights Act, Blacks were politically bad off. Blacks were much poorer. Blacks were being underserved and abused. When Blacks didn't have the Civil Rights Act, their communities could be subjected to things like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocoee_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_race_riot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_riot_of_1919
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longview_Race_Riot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring...e_riot_of_1908
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumo...e_riot_of_1943

Events like this are the reason Blacks needed the Civil Rights Act. Even when they were in their own communities they could be subjected to racial violence. This is what happens when the police fail to protect you. In one of these riots, a Black school was burned down. There has also been a history of Black churches being burned down. When you can't vote, you can't put in elected officials who will make sure your rights are respected and your interests recognized. This could(and has happened) mean you fall prey to all kinds of problems.

Natural law does not work. It has never been proven to work.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 01:32 PM
 
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Again rights that protect common nature law should be common sense.
What rights exist in nature that can be objectively discovered by independent researchers, and if this is "common knowledge," why do they crop up so inconsistently through history and even in the current world?
 
Old 05-10-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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What rights exist in nature that can be objectively discovered by independent researchers, and if this is "common knowledge," why do they crop up so inconsistently through history and even in the current world?
Rights are things that humans are suppose to respect. In "nature", it's all about survival of the strongest. There are no "rights" in nature. In human society, if we are to live around one another, there is a great deal with mutual respect we must have for one another. Alot of people don't have that. That is one reason we have laws.
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