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Old 05-22-2016, 04:58 PM
 
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Let me answer you, as a person of Chinese ancestry, and someone who this term supposedly refers to.

Oriental is frankly an archaic term. It is more proper and contemporary to use the term Asian, Asian American, or the ethnic or nationality specifically.

Sure, it's not as derogatory or impolite as "C****k, or Chinaman, but it's not really polite either.

If I, and others like me, think it isn't proper, isn't that enough? Instead of complaining about this, why don't you just be courteous and polite about it?
Chnk def ain't good at all like you said and, "Chinaman" ain't much better. "Oriental" used to mean someone from the "Orient"; damn, that IS an old word.
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Old 05-22-2016, 05:20 PM
 
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Let me answer you, as a person of Chinese ancestry, and someone who this term supposedly refers to.

Oriental is frankly an archaic term. It is more proper and contemporary to use the term Asian, Asian American, or the ethnic or nationality specifically.

Sure, it's not as derogatory or impolite as "C****k, or Chinaman, but it's not really polite either.

If I, and others like me, think it isn't proper, isn't that enough? Instead of complaining about this, why don't you just be courteous and polite about it?
Thank you.
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Old 05-22-2016, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by silverkris View Post
Let me answer you, as a person of Chinese ancestry, and someone who this term supposedly refers to.

Oriental is frankly an archaic term. It is more proper and contemporary to use the term Asian, Asian American, or the ethnic or nationality specifically.

Sure, it's not as derogatory or impolite as "C****k, or Chinaman, but it's not really polite either.

If I, and others like me, think it isn't proper, isn't that enough? Instead of complaining about this, why don't you just be courteous and polite about it?
I don't think your answer is sufficient to explain why oriental is offensive.

Who decides one term is archaic and the world must now adhere to another? Did you wake up one day and say, "hey, I hate being called Oriental". No, you did not. You just got talked into thinking Oriental was offensive. It isn't. There is nothing offensive at all about it. How long will "Asian" go before that will be considered archaic and we will all start to use another word?

So, here we are, no one really knows why society now finds non-offensive words offensive but we have to obey because if it bothers someone, isn't that enough?

Here is one dictionary's entry for Occidental
(Occidental)
A native or inhabitant of the Occident.

And the same dictionary's entry for Oriental
(Oriental)
offensive
A person of East Asian descent.

(there are other definitions, I only included the ones about people)

They expressions are the same, one is for east, one west, otherwise identical. Yet, with oriental they added "(offensive). It is, somehow. offensive. Why? It isn't anymore archaic than occidental. No one seems to know.
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Old 05-22-2016, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Oriental Biology Of or designating the biogeographic region that includes South Asia south of the Himalaya Mountains and Southeast Asia from southern China to Borneo.

Occidental - a native or inhabitant of an Occidental country; a westerner.
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Old 05-22-2016, 11:07 PM
 
Location: USA
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Chnk def ain't good at all like you said and, "Chinaman" ain't much better. "Oriental" used to mean someone from the "Orient"; damn, that IS an old word.
"Late Middle English: from Old French, or from Latin orientalis, from orient-"

It never meant anything derogatory. And the word doesn't even come from a Chinese Language, so it's not a derogatory term there? Just another made up cause by our illustrious leader and his followers.
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Old 05-22-2016, 11:13 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by silverkris View Post
Let me answer you, as a person of Chinese ancestry, and someone who this term supposedly refers to.

Oriental is frankly an archaic term. It is more proper and contemporary to use the term Asian, Asian American, or the ethnic or nationality specifically.

Sure, it's not as derogatory or impolite as "C****k, or Chinaman, but it's not really polite either.

If I, and others like me, think it isn't proper, isn't that enough? Instead of complaining about this, why don't you just be courteous and polite about it?
Guess all of the thousands of Oriental restaurants, hotels around the globe including China will have to change their names because of Americans outrage over nothing. You can start Emailing all of them now to tell them how derogatory the term is
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Old 05-23-2016, 05:05 AM
 
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Guess all of the thousands of Oriental restaurants, hotels around the globe including China will have to change their names because of Americans outrage over nothing. You can start Emailing all of them now to tell them how derogatory the term is
NO.

Again, Oriental is proper to describe THINGS, not persons. The legislation deals with references to individuals.

Why is that so hard to grasp? Is the legislation that difficult to understand?
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Old 05-23-2016, 05:54 AM
 
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I don't care what "you" think if talking about ME; my ethnicity IS "American" NOT European. Period. If talking race: "white" since I def have pasty skin.
You are wrong! The color of the skin does not define race. Many African-Americans have white skin, they are a dime a dozen. The best definition is someone that has European ancestry.
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Old 05-23-2016, 06:11 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Who knew? As it turns out, the word "oriental" is derogatory. Our government, ever quick to be PC, has just scrubbed the term from the federal books and will now refer to those "orientals" as Asian Americans. Before you blame Obama for falling all over himself with political correctness, understand that representatives sent him the bill. Yes, the Republican congress that can't agree on much of anything unanimously passed this bill. This is serious stuff, I guess.

Until Trump is elected and repeals this right after Obamacare, I will stop using the term. How about you?

President Obama Signs Bill Eliminating 'Oriental' From Federal Law - NBC News
Two repubs smoking cgars and drinking burbon decided to make a bet that they could finally get obama to agree with them on something. They came up with the most ludicrous idea they could think of and then submitted it. Obama fell for it hook line and sinker. Part of the effort to globalize, delete national borders and global regions is an effort to establish a new world order. Ballots for the next presidential election will finally go global as part of the plan. Being bribed to vote for a given candidate is legal in many of those countries.
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Old 05-23-2016, 06:15 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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As an Asian American, I am and have never been offended by the term "oriental", ch*nk, J*p or g**k.. they are only words... so what?
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