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View Poll Results: Should we have stricter gun-ownership laws?
Yes 114 28.08%
No 292 71.92%
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Old 06-01-2008, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Duh, the world we live in is very different from the world of the founding fathers. They were also very worried about the army garrisoning troops in homes of the civilian population. Doesn't seem as pressing an issue in 2008 does it?
um.... that does not answer my question, the question has no basis in modern times, this is a question why our founding fathers (who could not time travel, nor see the future) would go against everything they fought for to take weapons from law abiding citizens that had just fought a war using their own arms to gain the freedoms we now have.

 
Old 06-02-2008, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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um.... that does not answer my question, the question has no basis in modern times, this is a question why our founding fathers (who could not time travel, nor see the future) would go against everything they fought for to take weapons from law abiding citizens that had just fought a war using their own arms to gain the freedoms we now have.
I never asserted that the founding fathers thought guns should be restricted back in the 18th century I'm asserting that in large urban environments in the 21st century, we find the need to restrict the possession of guns. The two issues are unrelated.
 
Old 06-02-2008, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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we find the need to restrict the possession of guns.
Who is "WE"?
 
Old 06-02-2008, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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I never asserted that the founding fathers thought guns should be restricted back in the 18th century I'm asserting that in large urban environments in the 21st century, we find the need to restrict the possession of guns. The two issues are unrelated.
your skirting the question like usual. I asked a question as to why our founding fathers would change their minds after wining freedoms through the use of private firearms, not what the future would hold, but a direct question of the reasoning why all of these anti-gun nuts would assert that the founding fathers did not mean what they wrote.
 
Old 06-02-2008, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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your skirting the question like usual. I asked a question as to why our founding fathers would change their minds after wining freedoms through the use of private firearms, not what the future would hold, but a direct question of the reasoning why all of these anti-gun nuts would assert that the founding fathers did not mean what they wrote.
The founding father are dead. I'm quite comfortable with your assertion of what the founding fathers probably meant. I don't see much relevance to today's environment.
 
Old 06-02-2008, 01:08 PM
 
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I will wager that the Supreme Court overturns the Appeals Court's decision.
 
Old 06-02-2008, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Phoenix shooting kills 1, injures 1

Phoenix police are looking for a man involved in an apparent home robbery that left one suspect dead and a resident hospitalized Monday morning near McDowell Road and 28th Avenue.

The robbers injured a man inside the house, who then opened fire with a handgun, killing one robber and wounding the other, Hill said.

Phoenix shooting kills 1, injures 1

A resident defends themselve against a couple of lowlifes. The gene pool has been reduced.
 
Old 06-02-2008, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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Amen.

Again I say, Amen.
 
Old 06-02-2008, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Phoenix shooting kills 1, injures 1

Phoenix police are looking for a man involved in an apparent home robbery that left one suspect dead and a resident hospitalized Monday morning near McDowell Road and 28th Avenue.

The robbers injured a man inside the house, who then opened fire with a handgun, killing one robber and wounding the other, Hill said.

Phoenix shooting kills 1, injures 1

A resident defends themselve against a couple of lowlifes. The gene pool has been reduced.
Not an innocent homeowner. Rival drug gangs.

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Police officials said the home is a suspected drug house and believe two men came to break into the house. One suspect allegedly had a rifle.
 
Old 06-02-2008, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Not an innocent homeowner. Rival drug gangs.
So - he still saved himself - and the gene pool was reduced
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