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Honestly after 6 years of constant state restrictions on abortion I'm glad to see the abortion foes twisting in the wind over this.
By all means, yes. Let's let abortion centers perform surgical procedures on women without having to meet minimumambulatory surgery center standards. /heavy sarcasm
Why can't you all see this is a HUGE regression in equal treatment? Just yet another attack in liberals' War on Women?
I was merely responding to a person who had dismissed the law as unwarranted, on the grounds that only 1/4th of 1% of women who have abortions end up in the hospital.
My statement was that, based on already-established liberal principles, a law is necessary if it saves a single life. Thus, had there been any evidence that the law would save lives(since hundreds of women have died from abortions), then on those principles, the law should stand. And if liberals opposed it because it didn't save "enough lives", then they were being hypocritical.
But, if the law protects no one, then its only possible purpose would be to prevent women from getting abortions. That goes against Roe v. Wade, and it is unsurprising that it was overturned.
Already stated that the lawyer for Texas could not produce one example where it would have saved lives, if you have an example let's hear it.
Most women end up in the hospital days after a procedure, what good does it do to have a clinic meet surgical standards and admitting privileges since the doctor in the clinic will not be performing the surgery and it will be done at a hospital
I'm sure you've heard the expression, cutting off your nose to spite your face. That fits your pov perfectly.
I wouldn't say that. Demanding people who want freedom to be responsible and shoulder the consequences of their actions would likely go quite far in significantly reducing the numbers of unwanted children brought into this world.
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You already pay in one way or another for unintended pregnancy and resulting births or abortions. Do you really think providing bc free to women, cost to taxpayers, will lead to a loss of freedom and lives of irresponsibility. Consider the cost-effectiveness, fewer unwanted children, and reduced abortions of implants or IUD, among other practically error-free bc.
Well, if you do not reward irresponsible actions, I wager that such irresponsible actions will decrease.
That doesn't seem like such a far off notion.
Imagine people reacting to rewards one way and another way when such rewards are stopped.
You didn't answer my question. Which is more important to you; providing a safer environment for women getting an abortion or restricting abortions to the point that it would be virtually impossible for many women to obtain one?
Ridiculous hyperbole.
Oh no, the ambulatory surgery center standards are so high to meet that there won't be any ambulatory surgery centers at all. /heavy sarcasm
Guess what? That didn't happen. Plenty of ambulatory surgery centers. All meet the required standards. So all are licensed to perform surgical procedures on their patients.
It's sickening that so many of you are arguing for UNLICENSED facilities to perform surgical procedures on women.
Regulations for automobiles were consistent across the industry, the laws in Texas relative to abortion clinics would amounted to just requiring Fords to have catalytic converters.
Incorrect. They're the same standards required of all ambulatory surgery centers. This law brought women's health care up to those same standards for surgical procedures.
The Gosnell case cited in the amicus brief, just as one example of what happens when abortion centers don't have to meet ambulatory surgery center standards:
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The Philadelphia district attorney's office made its own set of recommendations -- to regulate abortion clinics as ambulatory surgical centers.
Your legitimate source is from 1989, but it was one clinic and they deserved to be fined, one event does not equate to data.
Actually, it does. PA passed a law requiring abortion centers to meet ambulatory surgery center standards before Texas did. Why was it OK with liberals to do so in PA, but when Texas did so liberals demanded that women's health care standards be set back to Gosnell-era subpar standards?
Oh no, the ambulatory surgery center standards are so high to meet that there won't be any ambulatory surgery centers at all. /heavy sarcasm
Guess what? That didn't happen. Plenty of ambulatory surgery centers. All meet the required standards. So all are licensed to perform surgical procedures on their patients.
It's sickening that so many of you are arguing for UNLICENSED facilities to perform surgical procedures on women.
Why don't you just drop this ridiculous charade of yours and admit the REAL reason you are upset is because the abortion clinics that were going to close due to this law will now remain open. Before this you didn't give two sh**s about women's health.
This law was purely put into place to make it more difficult for women to have abortions. Did they ever consider Ru-486? Not surgery. Woman goes home, takes these pills, and basically has a very early miscarriage. She is not going to need to be rushed from the CLINIC to a hospital. Guess Texas did not think of this? No, people, Ru-486 is not sold over the counter. It's not the same as Plan B.
Yea sure, the tolerant and caring gang. Thanks for being honest about how you REALLY FEEL about a life.
Raises hand as woman who had a late-term abortion for fetal defect. Believe me, I know better than most what abortion looks like and feels like, and it's not just ridding the uterus of a clump of cells. But you're making a specious argument. Were I to have been aborted, I simply would not exist, as Hecate pointed out very succinctly. There is nothing to consider here. It's an emotional argument, not a logical one.
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