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Old 06-28-2016, 07:17 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Well, this sign doesn't blame all gun owners. It blames a political party for actively opposing legislation they feel would have prevented this crime.
You do know a felon can walk into a gun store and buy a weapon, in parts, and be shooting in an hour? Criminals don't care about no fly no buy lists.

Maybe we should start pushing the facts.
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Old 06-28-2016, 07:37 AM
 
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But it has everything to do with it. Especially in a political silly season. If the LGBT is going to blame Republicans for Orlando, you better expect kickback.
Ok, but why are they blaming Republicans? It's bigger than just 'the guy was *blank* because that would be, and I assure, it is, a completely stupid argument. And you're allowed to think the argument they're actually making is stupid, but at the very least, it's a least closer to a complete thought than 'guy was Democrat so all democrats bad."

Kickback is fine. I welcome discourse. But when someone makes a stupid response, I'm telling them it's stupid.
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Old 06-28-2016, 07:40 AM
 
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That and the Republicans do not hate anyone, they just expect the same from everyone. If that's hate then sign me up.
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Old 06-28-2016, 07:43 AM
 
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You do know a felon can walk into a gun store and buy a weapon, in parts, and be shooting in an hour? Criminals don't care about no fly no buy lists.

Maybe we should start pushing the facts.
Isn't that what background checks are for though? The criminal might not care, but the store owner who will go to prison for not properly submitting a background check might? All of the bills that were recently drafted, none of which passed, seemed to revolve around the idea that criminals might not care, but someone should.

And yes, criminals can still buy them illegally from an unlicensed gun dealer. But, the point you're making is unrelated to the bills that were on the table. And the bills to come.
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Old 06-28-2016, 07:55 AM
 
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The GOP voted down the bill that prevents people on the terrorist watchlist from legally buying guns.

Republicans and their insane ISIS-friendly policies are directly responsible for the massacre.
They only did that because the Democrats wanted to remove Due Process like the true Nazi's they are. You need to ask yourself why they wouldn't put a provision in the bill to have Due Process upheld instead of just saying the R's voted against it like you were told to do.
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Old 06-28-2016, 08:07 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Isn't that what background checks are for though? The criminal might not care, but the store owner who will go to prison for not properly submitting a background check might? All of the bills that were recently drafted, none of which passed, seemed to revolve around the idea that criminals might not care, but someone should.

And yes, criminals can still buy them illegally from an unlicensed gun dealer. But, the point you're making is unrelated to the bills that were on the table. And the bills to come.

A BGC isn't required to buy parts. Anywhere.


Which begs to ask, what use is a BGC?
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Old 06-28-2016, 08:08 AM
 
Location: MS
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You do know a felon can walk into a gun store and buy a weapon, in parts, and be shooting in an hour? Criminals don't care about no fly no buy lists.

Maybe we should start pushing the facts.
For an AR-15/AR-10, the lower receiver is serialized and still requires the same checks as a full rifle.
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Old 06-28-2016, 08:14 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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For an AR-15/AR-10, the lower receiver is serialized and still requires the same checks as a full rifle.
No it is not when it's an 80%er.

The better ones even have the drill bits with the pattern. This is all legal folks.


Tell me again,,,,what use is a BGC? You are fooling yourselves.

These are so easy to make it's ridiculous. It's already been ran by the ATF and DOJ as legal.
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Old 06-28-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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A BGC isn't required to buy parts. Anywhere.


Which begs to ask, what use is a BGC?
Another poster answered it for me.

And for your information, I don't think BGC are a magic solution that will bring world piece. I think it's a smart security measure. If nothing else, it will keep gun salesman from getting sued for selling a gun to a dangerous person. Now they have a way of knowing if they're dangerous and can refuse the sale legally. And even if the guy had no past record, it still ends up not being the gun salesman's fault because he did his part to check.

Background checks block like 2% of all gun sales, or something like that. I know that don't fix the problem. I'm not an idiot. I don't think complex problems have simple solutions (*cough*building a wall*cough*). Sorry, something stuck in my throat. I said I'm not an idiot who thinks building a wall will fix illegal immigration. And I don't think background checks will prevent murder. But I do think the positives of a background check outweigh the negatives and so long as they don't prevent honest, good people from buying a gun, that will remain my opinion unless some other truly compelling argument is brought up.
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Old 06-28-2016, 08:20 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Another poster answered it for me.

And for your information, I don't think BGC are a magic solution that will bring world piece. I think it's a smart security measure. If nothing else, it will keep gun salesman from getting sued for selling a gun to a dangerous person. Now they have a way of knowing if they're dangerous and can refuse the sale legally. And even if the guy had no past record, it still ends up not being the gun salesman's fault because he did his part to check.

Background checks block like 2% of all gun sales, or something like that. I know that don't fix the problem. I'm not an idiot. I don't think complex problems have simple solutions (*cough*building a wall*cough*). Sorry, something stuck in my throat. I said I'm not an idiot who thinks building a wall will fix illegal immigration. And I don't think background checks will prevent murder. But I do think the positives of a background check outweigh the negatives and so long as they don't prevent honest, good people from buying a gun, that will remain my opinion unless some other truly compelling argument is brought up.
80,000 attempts each year by felons with an arrest rate an average of 4.


honest good people aren't the problem. We already know where these felons live. If we really cared about saving lives.
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