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Old 08-29-2016, 06:18 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Exactly. You either love the Constitution or you don't. It's that simple.




Some people think they will be safe with an authoritarian president, one who will throw all of those "others" out of the country and keep them out, outlaw undesired religions, and shut down any press that doesn't toe the party line. They sneer about the "nanny-state," when what they actually want is a dictator.
I love the Constitution, but I don't see anything in the Constitution that says we must be forced to commit political suicide in the name of "freedom of religion."

A 'religion' that seeks our destruction is an "undesired" 'religion,' and should be banned. Islam is anathema to our Constitution and our legal system. It is incompatible with American ideals. And you say we should welcome it? That's insane.
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:23 AM
 
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This is because you know little about what Sharia is. When we are told that speaking against the "islamization of America, and our U.S. AG threatens prosecution for "hate crimes" of those who speak out against it, or make negative depictions of Mohammed, etc., and that using terms like "Islamic terrorism" is offensive to Muslims and must be banned, and when we allow groups like the MSA to have certain speakers banned from speaking on college campuses because they are considered to be "Islamophobes," that is Sharia being implemented in America.

Yet it seem that it is okay to criticize and ridicule Christians and Jews (and this happens regularly on college campuses), but no one dare criticize Islam. That is Sharia.
"House Democrats Just Moved to Implement SHARIA LAW in America…

As Americans celebrated the Holidays with their loved ones… House Democrats, as their last action of the year, moved to to implement America’s first Sharia Law.
The message they sent is unmistakable…if Democrats and Hillary Clinton control Washington, D.C., our rights will be stripped from us, and Islam given special status above all.

Democrats quietly sponsored House Resolution 569, a resolution that asks lawmakers to condemn “violence, bigotry, and hateful rhetoric towards Muslims in the United States.” The resolution specifically mentions Muslims, no other religious groups, and will serve as a test by which further criminalizing of “Islamophobia” may be introduced.
Democrats have shamelessly lumped together “hate speech” with “violence” in an effort to compare criticism of Islam to physically harming Muslims. H. Res. 569 threatens to restrict our right to even report facts that tarnish Islam’s reputation, a law that all Sharia-governed countries already have in place.
According to Congress.gov, the resolution reads:
“Now, therefore, be it resolved, that the House of Representatives denounces in the strongest terms the increase of hate speech, intimidation, violence, vandalism, arson, and other hate crimes targeted against mosques, Muslims, or those perceived to be Muslim; urges local and Federal law enforcement authorities to work to prevent hate crimes; and to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law those perpetrators of hate crimes”
Muslims are slaughtering innocent people more than any other religious groups combined, all while refusing as a whole to condemn this barbaric Islamic terrorism, yet we are working to ensure these silent, consenting “moderates” have special protection — protection that they have never allowed religious minorities in their own countries.
In another passage, Democrats laughably purport that Muslims have contributed to the fabric of American society, but we’re assuming they don’t mean terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, countless frivolous CAIR lawsuits, whitewashed Islamic education in public schools, or whining about pork products and a lack of taxpayer-funded prayer rooms.
“Whereas this Muslim community is recognized as having made innumerable contributions to the cultural and economic fabric and well-being of United States society”
Still, the bill is purposefully vague in that it mentions prosecuting the perpetrators of “hate speech,” yet gives no definition for what it considers hate speech. Of course, we who have spoken out about the intolerant fundamentals of Islam understand that this means uttering anything critical of Islam or its followers, regardless of facts or relevance to the Quran.
Unbelievable! In essence, Democrats are trying to codify into law what Obama infamously said at the United Nations: Red the rest here:


House Democrats Just Moved to Implement SHARIA LAW in America… | Top Right News
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:23 AM
 
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Well then, since in your book ISIS is Islamic, is your solution to simple exterminate all Muslims anywhere they may be?
So, you believe ISIS isn't Islamic? Please site a source. If you knew anything about Islam, you would know they are practicing Islam to the letter, according to the Qur'an. Even Obama knows this. After all, he made the now well known statement, "The future must not belong to those who would slander the prophet of Islam." That is an acknowledgement of Obama's submission to Sharia.
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:37 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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There are around 16,000 homicides per year almost unanimously by home grown Americans, that has been the case for decades. Maybe that should be the priority rather than complaints about Muslims. The trend for violent crime has been down under Obama so how does that translate into not keeping us safe.
The trend in terrorist attacks in the USA is UP under Obama. That is what we are talking about here. Obama is responsible for national security, NOT local law enforcement.

Can we separate acts of terror from domestic violence? We seem to want to conflate them. International terrorism committed on US soil is a separate and increasing problem. That is Obama's responsibility.
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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If it doesn't happen in your neighborhood or to you, then it doesn't exist. If you feel you are safe, your family is safe, then it doesn't exist. Not picking on you, just showing the issue at hand which you have pointed out in your own message below.

49 people were killed a few miles from me by an ISIS sympathizer. I have personally met some of the survivors who were shot, some of the first responders. One woman we've spent time with was shot 7 times--7 times-- and is still alive. Just because it doesn't happen to you or hasn't affected you yet doesn't mean it's not happening.

If rape, murder, shooting by a refugee or ISIS sympathizer happens, does it mean it doesn't matter or didn't happen because it didn't happen to you?
On the other hand, I got out of the WTC twice, in the building for both attacks. Second time I lost over 80 coworkers. I belong to a 9/11 support group that includes family members, responders, and other survivors.

I'm not running around scared. As a matter of fact, I have less fear than I did before. And I keep reminding everyone that people from 90 countries died at the WTC, of every race and religion, and 15,000 people--Muslims, Jews, Christians, atheists, pagans, Hindus, Buddhists--ran out of those buildings before they went down. This divisiveness that so many champion is exactly the opposite of what the WTC was and exactly the mindset of terrorists.
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:47 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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What nonsense. Pretty much everything you stated is a lie. You should be embarrassed.

1. There is no Sharia Law conspiracy running the USA, that's just idiocies written in fringe blogs.

2. Muslim extremism has no statistical relation to changes in crime in the USA since virtually none of it is committed by Islamic terrorists.

3. Crime fluctuates over time, but look at any credible statistics and you'll see that crime is near multi-decade LOWS; it's a far safer country than during the "Golden Age" of Reagan.
No, YOU should be embarrassed because of your ignorance. You cannot conflate international terrorism with domestic crime, even when that terrorism is committed on US soil. This is the problem with Obama's policies. He treats terrorism as ordinary crime, but it is a much larger problem, which he chooses to ignore, and in fact, his policies have facilitated the increase in terrorism here and abroad.

And, by the way, none of what I have stated is a lie. Do your research.
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The trend in terrorist attacks in the USA is UP under Obama. That is what we are talking about here. Obama is responsible for national security, NOT local law enforcement.

Can we separate acts of terror from domestic violence? We seem to want to conflate them. International terrorism committed on US soil is a separate and increasing problem. That is Obama's responsibility.
All the terror attacks have been from US citizens that were either born or raised here.


Do you call Sandy Hook. Sikh Temple, Charleston church terror attacks?


What is the criteria for an international terrorist attack in the US.
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:57 AM
 
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This is pretty much the selling point for the GOP, you are not safe and they are the solution. They present these lies about violent crime on the increase but the statistics indicate otherwise.
We are talking about terrorism, which IS on the increase. Are you denying that? And Hillary Clinton's affiliation with Muslim Brotherhood front groups and her continuation of the policies that she and Obama established with regard to those groups, their "partnering" with them, will only make the situation worse, because it facilitates the access that terrorist groups have to US intelligence and provides cover for their activities.

Indeed, the Holy Land Foundation trial exposed many groups that were funding terrorism if not directly involved in it.
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Obama's "Strategic Implementation Plan for Empowering Local Partners to Prevent Violent Extremism in the United States" (Dec. 2011) has been a complete failure, as we have seen an increase in violence, especially in the last 12 months.
Really?


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Old 08-29-2016, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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"House Democrats Just Moved to Implement SHARIA LAW in America…

As Americans celebrated the Holidays with their loved ones… House Democrats, as their last action of the year, moved to to implement America’s first Sharia Law.
The message they sent is unmistakable…if Democrats and Hillary Clinton control Washington, D.C., our rights will be stripped from us, and Islam given special status above all.
Democrats quietly sponsored House Resolution 569, a resolution that asks lawmakers to condemn “violence, bigotry, and hateful rhetoric towards Muslims in the United States.” The resolution specifically mentions Muslims, no other religious groups, and will serve as a test by which further criminalizing of “Islamophobia” may be introduced.
Democrats have shamelessly lumped together “hate speech” with “violence” in an effort to compare criticism of Islam to physically harming Muslims. H. Res. 569 threatens to restrict our right to even report facts that tarnish Islam’s reputation, a law that all Sharia-governed countries already have in place.
According to Congress.gov, the resolution reads:
“Now, therefore, be it resolved, that the House of Representatives denounces in the strongest terms the increase of hate speech, intimidation, violence, vandalism, arson, and other hate crimes targeted against mosques, Muslims, or those perceived to be Muslim; urges local and Federal law enforcement authorities to work to prevent hate crimes; and to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law those perpetrators of hate crimes”
Muslims are slaughtering innocent people more than any other religious groups combined, all while refusing as a whole to condemn this barbaric Islamic terrorism, yet we are working to ensure these silent, consenting “moderates” have special protection — protection that they have never allowed religious minorities in their own countries.
In another passage, Democrats laughably purport that Muslims have contributed to the fabric of American society, but we’re assuming they don’t mean terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, countless frivolous CAIR lawsuits, whitewashed Islamic education in public schools, or whining about pork products and a lack of taxpayer-funded prayer rooms.
“Whereas this Muslim community is recognized as having made innumerable contributions to the cultural and economic fabric and well-being of United States society”
Still, the bill is purposefully vague in that it mentions prosecuting the perpetrators of “hate speech,” yet gives no definition for what it considers hate speech. Of course, we who have spoken out about the intolerant fundamentals of Islam understand that this means uttering anything critical of Islam or its followers, regardless of facts or relevance to the Quran.
Unbelievable! In essence, Democrats are trying to codify into law what Obama infamously said at the United Nations: Red the rest here:


House Democrats Just Moved to Implement SHARIA LAW in America… | Top Right News


How does a house bill condemning violence against Muslims equate to Sharia Law, that is some really creative stretching of the truth.


There have been many specific bills regarding violence against groups or religions, so what?


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H.Res.707 - Condemning all forms of anti-Semitism and rejecting attempts to justify anti-Jewish hatred or violent attacks as an acceptable expression of disapproval or frustration over political events in the Middle East or elsewhere.
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