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I came across a video a few days ago about housing values and Blacks. In a nutshell, the idea was "Blacks moving in bring home values down for Whites". According to said youtuber, most non-Blacks want nothing to do with Blacks and would prefer that Blacks stay at a distance. According to him, just the presence of some Blacks is enough to bring housing values down. And towards the end he said that Blacks should be more concerned about building their own neighborhoods and institutions. He would also mention that it didn't bother him if Whites and non-Blacks didn't like him.
What is your take on this?
This is a common belief and has been since the early 20th century.
There have a been a lot of housing and white flight threads in this forum that I've participated in over the years. I've shared that blacks today still experience "white flight" and that gentrification is also studied from the percentage basis of how many whites vs blacks, when race is a factor in gentrification (it is not always a factor).
What is interesting IMO about the discussions about white flight is the fact that it happens with other ethnic groups, even Asians. I mentioned in a thread a couple months ago that John's Creek in metro Atlanta is experience white flight away from Asians. Families who move away from blacks say that we cause crime and have dumb kids (this is the basic generalization) so we contribute to "bad schools." On the flip side, Asians are seen as not being American enough and their kids super smart and the whites don't think their kids can compete in school or that the Asians make school "too hard" and stressful for their kids. Both scenarios are done for traditional racist reasons - the perceived inferiority and superiority of one group (blacks and Asians) compared to whites. So in that respect, your video is just the same old, same old IMO. 20th century urban housing issues IMO should be a vital part of black history classes and of general American history of the 20th century. Too often this sort of thing is only spoken of in regards to the south when it happened all over the country and still does today.
I just wanted to hear commentary on others about what said person was talking about, see what others think about it.
I don't see it happening these days. Certainly not in the neighborhoods I've been moving into or scoping out over the last 15 years. I see plenty of blacks in predominantly white neighborhoods without a whole lot of "For Sale" signs. But then, for better or for worse I've been looking at neighborhoods with property values driven by sellers' markets with houses barely staying on the market more than 72 hours. Ain't no block busting going on here.
Back in the 80s, I saw some statistics indicating that predominantly white neighborhoods had a tolerance for blacks that tipped at the 8% level. They were fine until the neighborhoods hit 8%, then like an automatic trigger, whites started moving out.
I don't know if the same phenomenon occurs, and it's likely muddied by the fact that since the 80s, other non-white ethnic groups muddy a comparative picture.
I just wanted to hear commentary on others about what said person was talking about, see what others think about it.
(The Blacks drop property values issue)
Well I grew up in segregated Los Angeles and watched in the 70s when the last white family with school aged kids fled a neighborhood with the likes of music superstar Ray Charles living there. It was only this century when the era of white return begin and now. Maybe they don't actually want to live next to black senior citizens but $100,000s in a discounted price is too much to pass up. But more likely the greater society has changed during the past 50 years. So along with moving next door there is less gnashing of teeth and wearing sack cloth should the daughter choose a black man as her mate. So the video just marks on of those on the so-called wrong side of history
I just wanted to hear commentary on others about what said person was talking about, see what others think about it.
I also hear nearly as much griping from middle-class blacks about "Section 8" housing in their neighborhoods as from middle class whites. The only difference is that blacks are slower to label someone as "Section 8" upon immediate move-in.
I see an awful lot of young whites around here who are scared to death of rednecks.
I see a lot more "think like me" attitudes among Millennials and especially post-Millennials (recognizing that the kids I work with are actually post-Millennials).
When Millennials actually gain control of society--which won't be for another 20 years--I just don't see them hanging on to racial stereotypes the way we Boomers do.
BS.
You probably don't play video games online Xbox live, or read about kids chanting "Build the Wall." There's racism among millennials.
Thank you so much for your post! Because it truly starts to get to the heart of our issues as black people.
(However, I notice that it was completely ignored which is so very sad )
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On the black men supporting black women dialogue, I'll state that I do agree that black women are more interested in taking advantage of opportunities afforded by the CRM. It is odd to me that this is so since the most well known voices of the movement (from 1865-1965) were black men advocating for opportunities for black men. Oftentimes, I believe that black men will never be satisfied with anything they receive and will always want to advocate socially and politically for more instead of focusing on what was gained and building as men, traditionally are apt to do.
This is my view because black men, I will be blunt, they basically complain the most about everything and especially so when it comes to discussions such as this one in regards to race within the demographic. They also always want an "acknowledgement" of past misdeeds of whites, which IMO is useless or to act like any issue brought up about them is some sort of admonishment about all black men when it is not. It (the acknowledgement) will not do anything to make our demographic better. I am from a family of predominantly men, as shared earlier. I also have a lot of male friends and associates and we have a lot of these sorts of discussions when we get together and it is interesting for me, as a black woman, how many black men from vastly different backgrounds all think that they are the most oppressed people in the country and how they are owed a "collective" apology. I don't get it.
I am really "into" black history and culture. I don't need to wait for a white person to apologize to me, to share and teach our culture and history to black youths or to build an organization or build a better life for my family. It is like back men are waiting for permission to me.
I feel that black men and women will always be at odds about some things as that is the nature of males and females. However, I do agree with cali that we (as black women) will not have our problems solved by marrying white or non-black men. It is hilarious to me that that is frequently cited as an "answer" to our "problems" as black women or that it is brought up in a conversation about the perception from black women that black men basically are only out for complaining about themselves and their issues and wanting us (black women) to "help" them. I think there is a problem of manhood in black America and that it needs to be solved by black men and that black women are not to blame for that issue (at all - and don't get me started on the "feminization of black men" thing that too many men today are trying to complain/blame on black women).
Black men need to stop complaining and blaming IMO. And this is not to say that all of you do. It is just something that frequently happens not only in discussions of black women vs black men but also black men vs America in general. They act like they cannot do anything, that they are powerless and are a perpetual victim and that they have no recourses or no say, not even within their own families. Due to be observing this sort of behavior, I actually understand how non-blacks in America view it this way from a "current events" standpoint since most "black issues" in the media is just a bunch of black people, usually a black man complaining about something and blaming someone for some "black man problem."
As for me, I'm focused on my history and culture. It is important to me to teach our youth both "hood" kids and suburban kids about our culture and our history from a black perspective and using black sources and doing all the above in an interesting, fun, "conscious" fashion. I don't need to marry a white man or have a a white person to apologize to me in order to do this sort of thing. Hell, I like to teach white people the same things so they will stop seeing us as a stereotype. I can do the above because of the successes of the CRM (1865-1965). I have the opportunity to do so. The primary goal of the CRM was "opportunity." I can admit that there are still things that need to be worked on but there have been many more opportunities gained and accomplished that I focus on and actively share with others.
Who was this youtuber? I was just trying to get one's perspective on the idea of "Blacks are hated by everyone and are better off by themselves".
I am going to answer this question, however, the truth will be ignored.
Black men (and then by extension black people) are not respected because all men are expected to secure resources, to build communities to protect those resources, and create a legacy that carry what they have built and the resources that they have secured into future generations. Collectively, black men do not secure or build; they consume and often destroy. And often, when black men do individually secure resources and build for their individual legacy it is with women who are not of their own race therefore ensuring that their legacy will be absorbed back into that of white/non-black patriarchies.
The blame game is often employed as an excuse for not being able to "secure resources" or to "build communities". There is zero accountability or personal responsibility.
Also, there is a lack of shame or guilt in allowing the heavy lifting to be done by black women. Femininity flourishes when there is security, protection, safety and resources.
And I know what you are going to say...."I'm not like that. I'm a good/respectable/upstanding black man". Well, unfortunately for all of us there are far too many black people walking around who fit the negative stereotypes for any of us to truly be exceptions.
....but I know that this post will be ignored because I didn't throw rose petals at their feet.
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