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Not this BS. I am not an immigrant. I am a third or fourth, depending on family lines, generation American who was born here.
I have news for you and your logic - Native Americans were immigrants, too.
I read an article, I believe it was Nation Geographic, that said American Indian DNA was closest , according to some in depth research, the the Inu people of the N Japanese islands. Specifically Hakaido. That the N American people's were descended from Asian nomads has been pretty well established. American Indians have a very distinct physical appearance, and it's quite similar to the Siberian and Japanese tribal people. Hair, eyes, lack of facial hair, high cheekbones (for the more northern/eastern tribes anyway and the plains tribes, and the Navajo also tend to look very Asian. Especially the women.
Science believes that no people actually originated on this continent. There are zero remains of races like the Neanderthal here and the evidence of a Bering land bridge migration is more than compelling. "Native" would then be defined as having been born here. A more accurate description of the American Indians may be more like "indigenous", at least at the time the first explorers encountered them.
Having been somewhere first never implied ownership back in the day. The doctrine of the time was find and conquer. I fully agree that the Indians got a very raw deal, but we can't unring any bells. Though much has been done to salve the hurt in terms of priveledge and financial concessions, but that's bout all that can be done. There will be no return to the "old times" of following the buffalo. No more than whites can return to the days of the Mountain Men.
I myself have had to just watch as land I grew up on hunting , fishing and exploring on horseback was dozed and developed. Yes it sucks. But, it's going to happen. It's the world we live in, ever expanding and leaving the past behind. That doesn't mean we should forget the past, and do all we can to preserve our wild areas. But we are a huge nation. A world power, and we can't just stagnate and stop building where we're at.
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The fact is almost all the propaganda you hear about DAPL is false. From the reports that say the police are the aggressors to the downright lies shown in pictures. They tried to pass off a woodstock picture as a picture of the crowd. A Peruvian protester standing up to a military type was posted as being one of them doing the same. The dog bite victim was in fact a NYC child who had gotten bitten by a pit bull several years ago. The evidence of these lies is out there, you just have to search for it. Is that to say the native americans in ND didn't have a right to be concerned. No actually, they had a right, although in my mind unfounded, but a right none the less to be concerned about their water. But given that they are uninformed, because of their own stupidity in not meeting with the gas company, one can understand that. And their peaceful protests were absolutely righteous. But this now isn't about water. This isn't about burial grounds. This isn't about some treaty. This is about them being hijacked by paid terrorist sent in to destroy the oil business. Spoiled rotten children for the most part, that have nothing better to do than cause trouble. A list was released by local authorities showing names, ages, and address of those arrested. And how many were from ND? Five. All the rest were political terrorist from as far away as New York and New England.
And for those of you who think they are winning, you best think again. The fact is, DAPL was approved and permitted. All along the 1100 miles route. It takes millions to prepare for a line, millions to get construction warehouses set up, millions of dollars worth of equipment and millions worth of labor and no gas company nor construction companies are going to spend that kind of money without all the proper permitting. And anyone who believes that is just plain stupid. Did the gas company just say oops.... we'll just screw the ND indian tribe yet do it right in Illinois, Iowa, and South Dakota. The fact is it's done there. And...with the exception of one river HDD site it's done in North Dakota too. And the reason that that isn't done is plain and simple. Obama. When the judge ruled that the gas company had done everything by the book, even at times going over and above what it was legally charged to do, your buddy Obama stepped in (where he didn't belong) and decided to give one last screwing to the gas company. Ironically enough though, it was just another nail in Hillary's coffin.
You see... he did this before remember? Prior to 2012 when he was up for re-election he needed the support of the union so he was all for Keystone XL. FERC and all the governmental agencies had approved Keystone, the only thing it needed was his signature because it crossed an international border. But he also needed the green environmental vote. So he delayed. And he took MILLIONS from both for his re-election. Gasp.... he bought votes...imagine that. So then we all know what happened right? He denied it. But... his signature isn't required for DAPL. It still isn't. So when the opportunity to screw "big bad oil" came along again, he jumped on with both feet. He says to re-route it..... well, with roughly 90% of the pipe in the ground even he knows that's impossible... he's placating you. His suggestion to the Corp is nothing but grandstanding for one last time. And you wonder why the Democrats lost? This is just another reason. He lied and screwed over a whole industry (remember the energy business is more than just one or two companies who deal in pipeline related business). But he made it abundantly clear that he'd much rather deal in foreign oil instead of American or oil from our Canadian friends. And those in the energy sector....well....we paid attention. A lot of pipeline and oil affiliated union members voted Republican for the very first time due to his actions. And come January 20th.... those few hundred feet of line not finished will be, and then those of you thinking you are "winning" may be able to say you won a few battles but you will have lost the war. Was it going to be worth it? The line will be complete, Trump will be president, and Obama's legacy will be remembered for things just such as this.
The fact is almost all the propaganda you hear about DAPL is false. From the reports that say the police are the aggressors to the downright lies shown in pictures. They tried to pass off a woodstock picture as a picture of the crowd. A Peruvian protester standing up to a military type was posted as being one of them doing the same. The dog bite victim was in fact a NYC child who had gotten bitten by a pit bull several years ago. The evidence of these lies is out there, you just have to search for it. Is that to say the native americans in ND didn't have a right to be concerned. No actually, they had a right, although in my mind unfounded, but a right none the less to be concerned about their water. But given that they are uninformed, because of their own stupidity in not meeting with the gas company, one can understand that. And their peaceful protests were absolutely righteous. But this now isn't about water. This isn't about burial grounds. This isn't about some treaty. This is about them being hijacked by paid terrorist sent in to destroy the oil business. Spoiled rotten children for the most part, that have nothing better to do than cause trouble. A list was released by local authorities showing names, ages, and address of those arrested. And how many were from ND? Five. All the rest were political terrorist from as far away as New York and New England.
And for those of you who think they are winning, you best think again. The fact is, DAPL was approved and permitted. All along the 1100 miles route. It takes millions to prepare for a line, millions to get construction warehouses set up, millions of dollars worth of equipment and millions worth of labor and no gas company nor construction companies are going to spend that kind of money without all the proper permitting. And anyone who believes that is just plain stupid. Did the gas company just say oops.... we'll just screw the ND indian tribe yet do it right in Illinois, Iowa, and South Dakota. The fact is it's done there. And...with the exception of one river HDD site it's done in North Dakota too. And the reason that that isn't done is plain and simple. Obama. When the judge ruled that the gas company had done everything by the book, even at times going over and above what it was legally charged to do, your buddy Obama stepped in (where he didn't belong) and decided to give one last screwing to the gas company. Ironically enough though, it was just another nail in Hillary's coffin.
You see... he did this before remember? Prior to 2012 when he was up for re-election he needed the support of the union so he was all for Keystone XL. FERC and all the governmental agencies had approved Keystone, the only thing it needed was his signature because it crossed an international border. But he also needed the green environmental vote. So he delayed. And he took MILLIONS from both for his re-election. Gasp.... he bought votes...imagine that. So then we all know what happened right? He denied it. But... his signature isn't required for DAPL. It still isn't. So when the opportunity to screw "big bad oil" came along again, he jumped on with both feet. He says to re-route it..... well, with roughly 90% of the pipe in the ground even he knows that's impossible... he's placating you. His suggestion to the Corp is nothing but grandstanding for one last time. And you wonder why the Democrats lost? This is just another reason. He lied and screwed over a whole industry (remember the energy business is more than just one or two companies who deal in pipeline related business). But he made it abundantly clear that he'd much rather deal in foreign oil instead of American or oil from our Canadian friends. And those in the energy sector....well....we paid attention. A lot of pipeline and oil affiliated union members voted Republican for the very first time due to his actions. And come January 20th.... those few hundred feet of line not finished will be, and then those of you thinking you are "winning" may be able to say you won a few battles but you will have lost the war. Was it going to be worth it? The line will be complete, Trump will be president, and Obama's legacy will be remembered for things just such as this.
This is not ending with Obama. It's sad that so many pick sides based upon what they perceive the politics to be.
Face off with the government with guns over cattle grazing and that is good or bad depending on your politics. Face off against the government over a pipeline running under your water supply and you perceive the politics to be the opposite and take opposite sides.
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Originally Posted by pknopp
This is not ending with Obama. It's sad that so many pick sides based upon what they perceive the politics to be.
Face off with the government with guns over cattle grazing and that is good or bad depending on your politics. Face off against the government over a pipeline running under your water supply and you perceive the politics to be the opposite and take opposite sides.
If it was about water rights I might agree with you. But it no longer is. What started out that way, has morphed into a full blown riot. And if you can't admit that, then you're no better than those who hijacked the "peaceful" protest. Protest all you want about water, but when you start destroying property, throwing explosives, hurting the police, killing animals and hurting the residents of ND, then you deserve what will ultimately come your way.......
If it was about water rights I might agree with you. But it no longer is. What started out that way, has morphed into a full blown riot. And if you can't admit that, then you're no better than those who hijacked the "peaceful" protest. Protest all you want about water, but when you start destroying property, throwing explosives, hurting the police, killing animals and hurting the residents of ND, then you deserve what will ultimately come your way.......
I've seen no riot. Yes, things are going to escalate. You can not remain "peaceful" when military equipment is brought in to counter you. I support things escalating. It's a fight the government can not win. The country is not going to support military equipment used against it's own people.
I've seen no riot. Yes, things are going to escalate. You can not remain "peaceful" when military equipment is brought in to counter you. I support things escalating. It's a fight the government can not win. The country is not going to support military equipment used against it's own people.
I do dismiss your hyperbole though.
Military equipment?? The National Guard trash trucks? Or police outfitting themselves with protective gear? That's military equipment? Meanwhile a protester left the camp after she realized protesters were being told to purposely try and incite violence from police against them.
Military equipment?? The National Guard trash trucks? Or police outfitting themselves with protective gear? That's military equipment? Meanwhile a protester left the camp after she realized protesters were being told to purposely try and incite violence from police against them.
Police spray North Dakota Access Pipeline protesters with water cannon - Business InsiderAfter months of protest against the proposed North Dakota Access Pipeline, the clash between police and activists heated up Sunday night as temperatures cooled to dangerous levels.
Protesters, many of whom are from the Standing Rock Indian Reservation, have been demonstrating against the oil pipeline that would pass through North Dakota's Lake Oahe, a sacred burial site and major source of drinking water for the Standing Rock Sioux.
Really??
Plan A was to distribute smallpox infected blankets to the protesters but none could be found
So you think the pipeline project will simply be abandoned? Or moved? After millions upon millions have been spent, years of planning and permits?
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Not this BS. I am not an immigrant. I am a third or fourth, depending on family lines, generation American who was born here. 
