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Old 12-02-2016, 07:22 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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The conservatives cheering for more automation and displacement of workers are sure going to be pissed when the Basic Income comes to America.
And the socialist/libs will be pissed when the granola/tofu they love to munch goes up in price along with everything else to the point that minimum wage is not a livable wage anymore.
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Old 12-02-2016, 07:35 AM
 
Location: USA
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I worked with an immigrant from Ukraine who worked at McDonalds full time. He rented a room in a boarding house. In fact, you can live on minimum wage, but many of these protesters are very irresponsible by having multiple kids.
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Old 12-02-2016, 07:46 AM
 
Location: USA
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Very few places actually pay the minimum wage. McDonalds in my area starts you off at $9 or $10 an hour, perhaps maybe more. And this is a small town. I wonder is these min wage protests are funded and organized by Soros and Co.
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Old 12-02-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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Why $15? Why not $14.25 or $16?
Is there some math that proves $15 is ideal for the entire country or does "Fight for $14.25" just not have a good ring to it?
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Old 12-02-2016, 09:21 AM
 
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1. Again, crime and poverty go hand-in-hand. Giving more people livable wages will decrease crime rates. And what in the U.S. is currently and historically always had a higher percentage of poverty than others. Blacks. Sorry you don't understand and you want to believe it's "their culture" or whatever bull**** you wanna read off a flash card, but less people in poverty=less crime. It's that simple. And only about 13% of the U.S. are veterans and live .4% are actually active duty. The vast majority of the U.S. didn't join the military either when there are down and out. Not everybody wants to go die or be homeless. We can find a middle ground.


2. So you understand that the price of things are going up but minimum wage hasn't, but can't understand why people would want the minimum wage to increase. Again STUPID. Even when people have pointed out that for McDonalds to pay their employees $15/hr they would only have to increase their prices by like $.30.


I'ma let you read this them you'll be ingored later on. Every post you make on this site is borderline racist or stupid.
Lol. Flashcards? What the hell are you talking about? Not everyone wants to die or go be homeless? Bruh, I'm obviously not dead or I wouldn't be responding to you right now. Also, veterans get this thing, called the VA Loan, that allows you to purchase a home with 0% down besides closing costs.

Actually I aced economics in both high school and college, so I understand the correlation quite well. Newflash: the minimum wage has steadily increased over the years along with everything else. Smh.

Ignore me. I don't care. Oh I'm black by the way, and my neighborhood is well known (not for good reasons). So all that "racist" crying you did just makes you look even more foolish. Nice job.
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:57 AM
 
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I mean, sure you can make boatloads of cash as a surgeon, but one bad day (maybe you had trouble sleeping the night before) and whoops you killed someone. No thanks, too much pressure.
One of my best friends is an American who went to med school in Europe and stayed there. He's a GP. He's single. He owns a condo in a mid rise, so he doesn't have to worry about tending to the maintenance a house would require. He's licensed to practice in Sweden, Denmark, and Norway. After med school and getting his license, he worked for a company in Sweden. The English translation of the name of the company he worked for...Rent-A-Doctor. There are some rural areas in Sweden that the government can't get doctors to permanently move to with their families, so the government entity tasked with addressing this will turn to such companies to fill in with doctors they contract with for temporary assignments. These contract doctors end up making more per hour than a staff doctor would in a comparable situation. The same is true in parts of Denmark and Norway. He eventually made enough personal connections that he now is able to bypass the 'Rent-A-Doctor' company, negotiates with the clinic for a little bit less than they'd pay the 'Rent-A-Doctor' company, and the rest goes to his personal bottom line. Sometimes my friend will be on call at a rural clinic, be asleep in the room/suite they provide, and be awakened to treat a non surgical emergency in the middle of the night. He said there have been situations where there is another doc also on the same shift with the same scenario except that the other doc is a surgeon, and has to awaken from a deep sleep and quickly switch gears to perform emergency surgery. My friend sees the stress those surgeons are under as unimaginable.
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Old 12-02-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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We have a new dine in/take out restaurant by me that is really nice and offers a pretty healthy selection of food. The first thing I noticed when I walked in was that they had about 5-6 touch screen computers facing the customer where you would traditionally place your order, and about 4 people in the back working to actually make the food. Nice big 24" monitors where you just tap a few images and navigate a menu, then swipe your credit card and you are done. The declining expense of technology, increasing aptitude of people to use touch screens and apps, plus the clamoring for high paying but low value jobs is a perfect storm for this type of labor being easily replaced.

For those that say forcing a $15 min wage is a good thing, I'll take you out for lunch to this place one day and you can literally see the error of your ways in front of your eyes while you enjoy a nice tasty, healthy lunch.
This was going to happen no matter what. Computers have taken over and the costs just keep going down. It may not have happened today but it would have years from now regardless of the minimum wage. Owners would see that people don't want human interaction and that it's quicker for them to place their order and pay as soon as they want and then that table can be turned over to the next patrons.

Increasing minimum wage isn't about making that job a career. It's about keeping up with inflation and maintaining the ability to live. Rent, groceries, gas, etc all increase year after year and you can't keep a salary that low for so many americans.
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Old 12-02-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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Why $15? Why not $14.25 or $16?
Is there some math that proves $15 is ideal for the entire country or does "Fight for $14.25" just not have a good ring to it?
15 is a nice, round number.



Where I am at, it is going to be $11 January 1st.

Good luck getting hired after January 1st.
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Old 12-02-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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This was going to happen no matter what. Computers have taken over and the costs just keep going down. It may not have happened today but it would have years from now regardless of the minimum wage. Owners would see that people don't want human interaction and that it's quicker for them to place their order and pay as soon as they want and then that table can be turned over to the next patrons.

Increasing minimum wage isn't about making that job a career. It's about keeping up with inflation and maintaining the ability to live. Rent, groceries, gas, etc all increase year after year and you can't keep a salary that low for so many americans.
Two things:

1. Currently the minimum wage is about $7.25 on a national average, $15 is more than double that. Doesn't seem to add up.

2. What happens for those making $15/hr now because they have more valuable skills? I don't think I've seen a reasonable answer for this.
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Old 12-02-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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Two things:

1. Currently the minimum wage is about $7.25 on a national average, $15 is more than double that. Doesn't seem to add up.

2. What happens for those making $15/hr now because they have more valuable skills? I don't think I've seen a reasonable answer for this.

1 - I think a jump to $15 would hurt alot. I don't know if that would be the actual number but it should increase to something...definiately at least $10. it should be gradual too over the course of a 5-7 years.

2 - What does one have to do with the other? Garbage men make more than teachers. If they are happy with their jobs, what they do and their salary now then it shouldn't matter what others are getting paid. If they do have more valuable skills then i'm sure they will move up to team lead, manager, etc or probably even interviewing elsewhere for advancement.
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