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Old 12-28-2016, 04:52 AM
 
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That Syria's problems are the result of Russia's meddling is apparently forgotten.
Russia did not cause the Syrian war.
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:53 AM
 
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Then get U.S. troops out of Germany. We shouldn't be there anyway. The Germans can't defend themselves by now?
US bases in Germany are in-part there as a deterrent to Russia, and also there, in very-large part, as a deterrent to an ascendent Germany.
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:59 AM
 
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US bases in Germany are in-part there as a deterrent to Russia, and also there, in very-large part, as a deterrent to an ascendent Germany.
I don't doubt you.

But the reasons are silly none the less. The USA has no real reason to keep those bases open in Germany.
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Old 12-28-2016, 05:01 AM
 
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It's honestly tough to say. Only a decade or so, she has said multiculturalism is a failed policy that cannot work. In the past few years, she seems to have disagreed with that because we found that wasn't a progressive viewpoint, apparently. I believe she's running for re-election and softening her position on allowing migrants in. Could be by lying? Perhaps.

As for why she changed her position, again, that's sort of up in the air. Perhaps she just servers interests higher than her, as was the case with our esteemed Secretary Clinton. Maybe she's been blackmailed by those higher interests. Maybe she just genuinely messed up and really does want to soften her position to right some wrongs. That's for the German people to figure out. For their sake, I wish them luck in making the right decisions, whatever they may be.
Her positions haven't changed. Those were not her positions.

It's clear to the world that she's an inveterate liar, with a casualness and remorselessness that makes it also plainly clear that she's a sociopath. She can repeat the same basic lies, without flinching, to manipulate the tide of popular support: which she strategically did for most of her tenure until the illegal alien invasion.

Now, during the election season, she'll revert to nationalist dog whistles in an attempt to sway the middle voters. Hopefully, the myriad of rapes and murders by these aliens will have the people want to rather put her in a cage than to elect her again.
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Old 12-28-2016, 05:17 AM
 
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Politics is like a pendulum swinging.

Germany carries the guilt of the atrocities they committed during WWII against ethnic minorities; so today when they have the opportunity to lead by example they swing the other way, and extend their hand in support and friendship to refugees.

If it is too far in that direction then there will be a correction.
It is bad logic that somehow it is smart, or the Germans are indebted, to integrate third world Arabs and Africans. First, the German people were not asked if they would agree to this situation. It was imposed upon them. Thus, it can't be stated that "the Germans" want to help. It can only be said that Merkel and her band of supporters want Germany to support millions of third world aliens.

Second: the threat of this situation is what caused NS Germany to rise. Giving them the situation that they were warning against not only risks another such rise, but it also validates their initial fears. This political validation is what will stand in the distant historical view: and not much else. Germany's initial, pre-WWII fear of this situation also provides evidence that this situation is not thrust upon Germany for its acts in WWII; but that it was slated to occur regardless.

Third: there are myriad of atrocities levied against minorities to the present day, to include by Jews (And Russians, Turks, Chinese, etc.), and none of these people are meant to be indebted to integrate the third world.

Here's what is actually occurring:

German industriousness is a threat to the banking centers in London and New York as it resists the aggregation of power in those centers. Its also a threat to a united front against Russian power, as German industry tends to gravitate toward Russian influence over time. Tying the albatross of millions of third world migrants around the economic and sociopolitical neck of Germany will slowly inhibit its industrial potential. These people were not industrious in their nations of origin, and they will never produce in the same manner as the Germans. Like it or not.
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Old 12-28-2016, 07:46 AM
 
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US bases in Germany are in-part there as a deterrent to Russia, and also there, in very-large part, as a deterrent to an ascendent Germany.
Neither are a threat to us.
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Old 12-28-2016, 12:03 PM
 
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US bases in Germany are in-part there as a deterrent to Russia, and also there, in very-large part, as a deterrent to an ascendent Germany.
Cold War is over. It's Germany's job to deter Russia, not ours. American taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing Germany's defense responsibilities.

And the world needs an ascendant Germany.
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I don't doubt you.

But the reasons are silly none the less. The USA has no real reason to keep those bases open in Germany.
Correctamundo.
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Old 12-28-2016, 02:35 PM
 
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Then get U.S. troops out of Germany. We shouldn't be there anyway. The Germans can't defend themselves by now?

Please.
Thought my feet felt cold, we agree on something. Hell has frozen over.
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Old 12-28-2016, 02:38 PM
 
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She probably sees Germans hurt or killed due to her policies as collateral damage.
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:57 PM
 
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Thats a load of rubbish gogl1. Germany cannot have predicted the flood of refugees from countries so close.
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