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Old 01-27-2017, 03:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by le roi View Post
Not without the EPA.

There is literally no one else capable of doing that job. Private companies and state legislators have massive incentives to pollute. Localities have no authority, and the judicial system is a joke.

Y'all don't know what you're getting yourselves into.
Either do you. You know the EPA is looking out for our interests? I know that is what it says on the door. .



BP dumps mercury in lake - Chicago Tribune


Although the federal government ordered states more than a decade ago to dramatically limit mercury discharges into the Great Lakes, the BP refinery in northwest Indiana will be allowed to continue pouring small amounts of the toxic metal into Lake Michigan for at least another five years.A little-noticed exemption in BP's controversial new state water permit gives the oil company until 2012 to meet strict federal limits on mercury discharges. In documents, Indiana regulators predict the refinery won't be able to comply and will ask to continue polluting after that date.


There is that behind the scenes crap again.
Prodded by Congress, the EPA moved during the 1990s to virtually eliminate direct mercury discharges into the lakes.

Why do we need to prod a federal agency? why can't Congress run it? Nobody seemed to give a crap about Obama's power grab? What gives? This is what happened under the mulatto Ubermensch that could read a teleprompter mellifluously :


Former EPA Climate Adviser Rips Obama Over Environmental Regulations | Mother Jones
Her piece points to the White House Office of Management of Budget —and its Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) in particular—as the place where tough regulations go to die. We've documented a number of proposed environmental rules have been sent to OMB for consideration and never again seen the light of day. Heinzerling points to several others that have been under "review" for years, including a list of "chemicals of concern" and rules about workplace exposure to harmful crystalline silica dust. In other cases, like new Food and Drug Administration rules on food safety, the rules were sent back from OMB significantly weakened.
Funny how Obama more or less took over the EPA and weakened it, but Trump is the problem.


So I am all for reducing it. Let Congress create a rival to it. It does not even need enforcement. It can directly inform the people affected.
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:12 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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I am saying that federal officials who pass regulations are not beholden to voters, thus their tenure usually outlives the Congresscritters' terms who passed the initial law in the first place.

That idea is the retarded one.
If the people oppose it congress can change the law. There's a public comment process for federal regulations that are proposed. If people participate in their government their voice will be heard. If public comments are overwhelmingly against a regulation it is often not adopted.

You realize our government has worked this way for over 200 years and there are more public participation opportunities now than 100 years ago in these matters?
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:12 PM
 
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Good point - the EPA did such a wonderful job with the Flint, MI water poisoning
the EPA doesn't provide Flint's drinking water

anyway, what sense does this make ? it's like saying that we should disband the police department because they failed to stop a murder.

the only way the EPA could've prevented Flint, would've been to quadruple its budget and have Congress expand its authority and control dramatically. And that's exactly what y'all don't want, so why complain about Flint?
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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Fair enough, not on this thread. There have been several threads about the federal workforce
being cut where posters said that all federal employees were overpaid know-nothings who
deserve to lose their jobs.
A good amount are.
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:14 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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So I am all for reducing it. Let Congress create a rival to it. It does not even need enforcement. It can directly inform the people affected.
Are you seriously suggesting the EPA simply inform people when there's pollution going on in their backyards and do nothing about it? You think a power plant or refinery or mine is going to then stop polluting out of the goodness of its heart?
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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There are a lot of government agencies that need to be slimmed down. He needs to look at all the waste that happens and stop the hemorrhage somewhere.
Let's start by looking at states that receive welfare and medicaid for able bodied citizens! Why just focus on the government- let's look at social and corporate welfare too! That's a HUGE number.
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:16 PM
 
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Are you people saying your State EPA offices are incompetent, or what?

How is it even possible for a Blue State to have an incompetent EPA office?


California Environmental Protection Agency Home page


Damn, good point.
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:17 PM
 
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Once an aging nuclear power blows its top, Trump will wish he hadn't messed with the EPA. They are one of the agencies that are keeping the lids safely on those kettles, along with a lot of our other most critical industries.
Incorrect.

The EPA does not regulate nuclear power plants. That is handled by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:18 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If this comes to pass, it will be quite a change for the EPA.

Trump plans to cut EPA staff in half | Washington Examiner

And that is just the first phase, of the elimination of the EPA and restoring that power back to the States, as the 10th Amendment issue it is.
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:21 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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And that is just the first phase, of the elimination of the EPA and restoring that power back to the States, as the 10th Amendment issue it is.
Anything impacting navigable waters, crossing state lines and/or impacting interstate commerce is within federal authority. The courts have upheld the Clean Water Act and the Clean Air Act.
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