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Old 02-01-2017, 12:55 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Annie53 View Post
Condoms are one of the LEAST effective forms of BC.
Are they MUCH more effective than using nothing? Yes! Point made!

Condoms used correctly every single time are 98% effective at preventing pregnancy.

Using no method: 15% effective at preventing pregnancy.

Source: Choosing a Birth Control Method: Contraceptive Failure Rates: Table
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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You just did again. "force women".


I didn't knock you up. If you get raped go after the rapist, not the tax payers. That's what law enforcement and the court system is for.

We have the morning after pill, try it if you can't control yourself.

The morning after pill? You mean the one many pro-lifers want to ban?


Go after my rapist? What makes you think a rapist is going to pay child support? Even with law enforcement, many regular baby daddies get out of paying child support, don't have a job or just don't make enough money to support a child.


And then, guess what, YOU get to pay for it! LMAO!
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:03 PM
 
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Are they MUCH more effective than using nothing? Yes! Point made!

Condoms used correctly every single time are 98% effective at preventing pregnancy.

Using no method: 15% effective at preventing pregnancy.

Source: Choosing a Birth Control Method: Contraceptive Failure Rates: Table
And birth control pills and condoms 99.9% effective.
Do you sit around disgruntled thinking about all those women getting free BC so they can have protected sex? If state and federal agencies stopped funding birth control I doubt you would notice any decreases in your tax obligation. Would you then sit around disgruntled thinking about government funds going to alcoholics and drug addicts, diabetics, fat people, vaccinations, pain prescriptions, treating STDs, etc. etc.?
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:10 PM
 
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You are either woefully misinformed or deliberately trying to pass false information to further your agenda.


https://www.guttmacher.org/state-pol...under-Medicaid


Medicaid only pays for medically necessary abortions.
You realize a Dr can designate an abortion as 'therapeutic' and it is then considered medically necessary, no?

Additionally, read the link.

"Right now, 17 states use their own state funds to cover abortion for those who have insurance through Medicaid."

Abortions: Medicaid - Planned Parenthood

Says nothing about "medically necessary."

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But, I get it, from your point of view, if a woman can't pay for her own medically necessary abortion she deserves to die......how very PRO-LIFE of you.
No, I suggested funding via private sector charitable foundations. Those who support abortion can donate. Should be no problem, as many in fact do support abortion.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Are they MUCH more effective than using nothing? Yes! Point made!

Condoms used correctly every single time are 98% effective at preventing pregnancy.

Using no method: 15% effective at preventing pregnancy.

Source: Choosing a Birth Control Method: Contraceptive Failure Rates: Table

Instead of quoting "Perfect Use" why didn't you quote "TYPICAL USE"?


In the REAL WORLD, it is very naïve to expect PERFECT USE.


So, condoms have, in reality, only an 82% effective rate......and that is a LOT of unwanted pregnancies.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:15 PM
 
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And birth control pills and condoms 99.9% effective.
Do you sit around disgruntled thinking about all those women getting free BC so they can have protected sex?
I AM a woman. And I managed my own fertility. Neither expected nor felt 'entitled to' a handout of free BC. Had only 2 wanted pregnancies/births. No unwanted pregnancies. If I can do it, so can others.

No excuses!
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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Instead of quoting "Perfect Use" why didn't you quote "TYPICAL USE"?
Being foolish and using a method incorrectly should never be excused. BC pills aren't effective when one forgets to take them every other day. Be irresponsible when you're driving a car, and the penalty for stupidity and carelessness could be death.

Why the hell aren't people more responsible for their own actions? They don't have to be. Uncle Sugar will pour money and freebie benefits all over them when they f' up. (No pun intended.)
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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I would assume that not providing birth control and such would cause them to have way more kids. I am also going to say paying birth control is exponentially cheaper than providing food, daycare and health care for a child for 18 years
That is beside the point. Substitute government mandated sterilization, and see how the Libs squeal, yet the government providing free birth control is swell. The end result is the same.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:29 PM
 
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Substitute government mandated sterilization, and see how the Libs squeal, yet the government providing free birth control is swell.
Ignoring whether or not the government should be in the business of subsidizing medicine in the first place, can you really not see the difference between imposed permanent sterilization of people against their will and temporary sterilization pursued at their own discretion? Take this one back to the drawing board....
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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You realize a Dr can designate an abortion as 'therapeutic' and it is then considered medically necessary, no?

Additionally, read the link.

"Right now, 17 states use their own state funds to cover abortion for those who have insurance through Medicaid."

Abortions: Medicaid - Planned Parenthood

Says nothing about "medically necessary."

No, I suggested funding via private sector charitable foundations. Those who support abortion can donate. Should be no problem, as many in fact do support abortion.

Again, Medicaid, State or Federal, does not fund abortion on demand, only abortions that are deemed medically necessary.


'Therapeutic'....I suggest you look up the definition. Most all medical procedures of any kind would be called therapeutic.....including ending a pregnancy that could negatively effect the health of a woman.


If you do not want doctors to decide when abortion is the best course for a woman's health, who do you want to make that decision? Should a politician be called in to consult?.....a minister?.....someone like you?


Why is it that women's health is a political issue at all? Men do not have to jump through all kinds of hoops in order to receive "therapeutic" care for any of their health issues.


If my doctor says it could be detrimental to my health to continue with my pregnancy, why shouldn't Medicaid or insurance pay for it.....just as they would pay if my doctor said I needed any other type of proceedure?......or would pay if a man needed a certain procedure to guard his health?


Can't you see how this marginalizes women and their healthcare?
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