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Old 02-01-2017, 08:05 AM
 
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I will try. Taking away a right, and not paying for it, are two separate issues.

Firstly, you can see that free abortions and birth control have done nothing to stop single mothers from having children they can't take care of. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make her drink. Taxpayers still have to support them.

Most of us are pro choice, and fought for women's rights to control their own bodies and reproduction. There are many who are also against abortion and that is their right too. Nobody is against birth control, but go to the drug store and get it on your own dime. Why should I pay for your's?

Regardless which side you're on, there is no reason why government tax dollars should be used for these things, any more than the government should pay for everyone to have a new car, or a house, or a swimming pool.
I would assume that not providing birth control and such would cause them to have way more kids. I am also going to say paying birth control is exponentially cheaper than providing food, daycare and health care for a child for 18 years
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:09 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Well for myself, I get physically sick all day long on birth control pills. I have a pill baby and a condom
Baby. I miscarried my IUD baby, so for me, my doctor thinks an IUD is most effective for me. I do not want to be like the lady in the shoe with 20 kids running around.
Use a diaphragm. It does less health damage than implanting a foreign object into one's uterus.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:38 AM
 
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Use a diaphragm. It does less health damage than implanting a foreign object into one's uterus.
At only 88% effectiveness, thanks but I will pass. Doctors do not recommend diaphragms either these days. I do not know why.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:42 AM
 
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Maybe you can explain to me how all of my friends and family were able to cobble together successful, prosperous and fruitful households without resorting to government funded abortion and/or birth control.
You all were fortunate?
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:46 AM
 
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Please explain the logic. You have a group of individuals that want abortion to be illegal. They want planned parenthood (birth control to low income) to stop being funded, and the same group, are the first to tell a single mom that should not have had kids, she could not afford.

Life does not work that way. You can't take away someone's ability to prevent an issue, but then blame them when they have an issue.

Seriously, someone please explain the thought process because it really makes no sense.
As a 16 year old flipping burgers for $3.35 an hour for 20 hours a week I could easily afford condoms. If they can afford cigarettes, beer, smart phone, hair extensions, manicure, video games, cable or satellite tv, high speed internet then they can afford their own BC.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:47 AM
 
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I would assume that not providing birth control and such would cause them to have way more kids. I am also going to say paying birth control is exponentially cheaper than providing food, daycare and health care for a child for 18 years
It is all about shaming folks, LowonLuck.

It is not about doing something that is fiscally logical.

How dare those poor people want to have sex with their boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands, or wives?

I mean, really. The poor should just hit the fields and do manual labor, then go home and cook their own meals on ovens that are from last century and sleep on mattresses that were purchased in 1950. Oh, and shop only at Goodwill, because poor folks cannot have anything but used things. They're too poor to have anything nice for themselves.

Poor person got an iPhone? Damn them. Must be one of those free Obama phones (no... that program did not hand out brand-new iPhones). Poor lady got nice nails? Must be MY tax dollars subsidizing her frivolity. Never mind the idea that she might have a JOB INTERVIEW that would help her get off food stamps.

Or maybe she got a gift certificate to the nail salon for her birthday from her grandma and her mom and dad bought her that iPhone refurbished and added her to their plan because it was cheaper than her having a home phone line.

People don't use the brains that they were born with, I reckon.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:50 AM
 
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At only 88% effectiveness, thanks but I will pass. Doctors do not recommend diaphragms either these days. I do not know why.
Your body; your choice. But I sure as hell wouldn't have a foreign object implanted into my body (uterus). A pacemaker? Sure, if I needed one to remain alive, but an IUD? Not a chance in hell.

Diaphragm effectiveness rate: 94%

Diaphragm and cervical cap effectiveness | Columbia.edu

And as to why doctors recommend IUDs? More income for them via the insertion procedure. $2,000 cost, remember?
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:50 AM
 
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As a 16 year old flipping burgers for $3.35 an hour for 20 hours a week I could easily afford condoms. If they can afford cigarettes, beer, smart phone, hair extensions, manicure, video games, cable or satellite tv, high speed internet then they can afford their own BC.
Soo... you were 16, working part-time, living on your own, supporting a family, paying rent, electric, water, phone... buying and preparing your own groceries... buying furniture, maintaining a car and/or paying for public transportation... AND buying condoms...all that on minimum wage back in the... what? 1980s?

Wow... you are a hell of a budget expert. You should have your own talk show.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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As a 16 year old flipping burgers for $3.35 an hour for 20 hours a week I could easily afford condoms. If they can afford cigarettes, beer, smart phone, hair extensions, manicure, video games, cable or satellite tv, high speed internet then they can afford their own BC.
At 16, I worked full time, while finishing high school. I was struggling to keep my belly full, pay for transportation in a rural area, a place to shower and find a bed to sleep in at night. Often times I slept in my car. I did not have money for cigarettes or birth control. I don't even think I had health insurance. You must have been more fortunate than me.

Oh and I made $7 per hour in 1995.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:53 AM
 
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Your body; your choice. But I sure as hell wouldn't have a foreign object implanted into my body (uterus). A pacemaker? Sure, if I needed one to remain alive, but an IUD? Not a chance in hell.

Diaphragm effectiveness rate: 94%

Diaphragm and cervical cap effectiveness | Columbia.edu

And as to why doctors recommend IUDs? More income for them via the insertion procedure. $2,000 cost, remember?
I'm pretty sure they recommend IUDs because they last 5 years and women do not have to insert them before each time they have sex, nor do they have to wait for a given period of time to remove them after sex so as to avoid pregnancy. Or clean them and keep them dry and with them at all times in case they decide to have sex.

Or keep spermicidal jelly to use with the diaphragm in order to get to that 94% effectiveness rate you speak of.

Mirena IUDs also help control heavy periods in women who have issues with that, so docs will try to provide relief for that problem AND birth control, all at once. Which is a money saver, really.
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