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Old 02-01-2017, 06:20 AM
 
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You DO know that there are many multiple times public health department clinics that provide free or very low cost sliding fee scale birth control services than there are PP facilities, no? PP is redundant. Not necessary. Those services are already provided to more girls/women at the counties' and states' taxpayer-funded public health department clinics.

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Oh really ? Please try explaining the Texas experience cutting PP - that is not what happened.

https://news.utexas.edu/2015/08/14/w...ned-parenthood

It's a modern day witchhunt with the new witches being women's clinics.
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:27 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Never said that.

You saying women do not pay for their own abortions is, well, Lame.


We do pay for our own abortions, but that isn't good enough for you. You do not women to have access to safe, legal abortions, period.


If you want to force women to give birth against their will......well, yes, YOU, the taxpayer, should expect to pay for the results. You got what you wanted, you pay for it.
You just did again. "force women".


I didn't knock you up. If you get raped go after the rapist, not the tax payers. That's what law enforcement and the court system is for.

We have the morning after pill, try it if you can't control yourself.
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:27 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Federal funds are not used to provide abortions.
Yes, they are. Medicaid is both Federally- and State-funded.

Now read Planned Parenthood's website:
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"Cash, credit card, certified check or Medicaid and/or your private insurance are the only ways to pay for abortion care at a Planned Parenthood health center in New York State."
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/pl....dzBCvhpX.dpuf
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:30 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Oh really ? Please try explaining the Texas experience cutting PP - that is not what happened.
Why not? There are many times more public health clinic facilities than PP facilities. Perhaps that information needs to be better promoted.
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:30 AM
 
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You misunderstand. Many Conservatives want the federal government out of the Welfare-business, since it has no constitutional standing. The States are in a much better position to provide tailored programs that work for their unique demographics, economics, geography and such.

Thanks to the federal government's one-size-fits-all approach, two families of four, each receiving $400/month in Food Stamps. The problem is that $400 buys....

$578.13 worth of food in Cincinnati.
$210.23 worth of food in San Fransisco

....due to the differences in Cost-of Living.

Perhaps you could explain the logic that perpetuates this gross injustice harming some Americans, while enriching others.

Birth Control is an individual responsibility, not a group responsibility, unless you're planning on having group sex. So, are you? You know, planning on having group sex?

I'm not morally or ethically obligated to purchase Birth Control for others.

I can't help but notice that many "poor" women can afford butt-ugly tattoos, so logically that tells me they can afford to buy their own Birth Control.

Tattoos, or Birth Control.....which is more important?

As for Abortion, I'm willing to permit it up to the 14th week of pregnancy, but the fact that I am willing to permit it does not obligate me to pay for it. Women need to pay for their own abortions, and if they can't, then they can look into adoption.

If there's an issue, then Liberals need to pull out their wallets and purses and start handing over more money to Planned Parent and other such organizations.
Food stamps are based on cost of living and different amounts are given based on family size and state.

I agree with you on tattoos. Add in smoking and drugs for that matter. I don't have one tattoo. Never smoked or tried drugs.i cannot be the minority.
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:35 AM
 
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Yes, they are. Medicaid is both Federally- and State-funded.

Now read Planned Parenthood's website:


https://www.plannedparenthood.org/pl....dzBCvhpX.dpuf
The Medicaid in my state does not cover abortions.

http://plannedparenthood.tumblr.com/...ion-how-do-you

Federal Medicaid funds do not cover abortions, as directed by the Hyde amendment, unless extreme cases of rape or incest. The state funds can be used to provide abortions. So your state may cover them, but it is not federal funds paying.
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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Please explain the logic. You have a group of individuals that want abortion to be illegal. They want planned parenthood (birth control to low income) to stop being funded, and the same group, are the first to tell a single mom that should not have had kids, she could not afford.

Life does not work that way. You can't take away someone's ability to prevent an issue, but then blame them when they have an issue.

Seriously, someone please explain the thought process because it really makes no sense.
Where does personal responsibility come in??
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:55 AM
 
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You are not going to prevent the masses from having sex. It is just not going to happen. So it seems like it makes the most sense to not take away abortion and to still give out birth control.,

and we currently have a president and Vice President against birth control. Trump may sign an executive order banning them next week, for all we know.
I have been middle of the road on abortion/antiabortion for my adult life. I guess I'd be more pro-choice if I had to be put into a category. But, I am interested in the history of this organization, so I researched.

Planned Parenthood is an organization.

Google it's founder Margaret Sanger to understand how it started. Here is just one blogspot of hundreds of links to biographies: The Truth About Margaret Sanger: Margaret Sanger, Snopes, Planned Parenthood and the Ku Klux Klan


My opinion is If someone wants birth control they can visit their Dr. if someone wants an abortion, they should go pay for one....But, why should our tax dollars pay for it, especially Globally?

If we continue to federally fund abortion, shouldn't we also pay for right to life agencies? If you don't want the gov't choosing your birth control method, then it stands to reason that you also should not be expecting the gov't to pay for it.
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Old 02-01-2017, 07:08 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The Medicaid in my state does not cover abortions.

Why doesn

Federal Medicaid funds do not cover abortions, as directed by the Hyde amendment, unless extreme cases of rape or incest. The state funds can be used to provide abortions. So your state may cover them, but it is not federal funds paying.
Interesting... In 17 states, Medicaid pays for abortion. How is that Constutional? That violates taxpayers' First Amendment rights just as much as paying for abortifacients violates the Hobby Lobby owners' and Little Sisters of the Poor's First Amendment rights.

Want an abortion? That's your choice. But don't violate anyone's First Amendment rights to pay for it. Pay for it yourself. The death is your responsibility. And FYI... 38 states have feticide laws, so yes, it is a death.
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Old 02-01-2017, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I agree with you on tattoos.
Unlike tattoo artists most pharmacists will not take sexual services in lieu of cash.
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