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Old 01-30-2017, 09:05 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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And it was the right choice. Any president would have done the same thing.

It was NOT her job to rubber stamp the president. And, no any president would not have done the same thing. Richard Nixon was the last president to do it and he was out of office in less than a year. I predict #45 will be too. He's creating his own drama.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:12 PM
 
Location: United States
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It was NOT her job to rubber stamp the president. And, no any president would not have done the same thing. Richard Nixon was the last president to do it and he was out of office in less than a year. I predict #45 will be too. He's creating his own drama.
It wasn't her job to rubberstamp Trump's policies, but it is her job to defend them in court. She refused, so she was let go.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:18 PM
 
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But the Obama list was generated in response to an actual threat. And Obama did not make a sweeping order as such.

"...The Obama administration passed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 after the November 2015 terrorist attacks in Paris. The Act, however, unlike Trump's much more broad order, only affected people eligible for the visa waiver programme, rather than suspend all citizens' travel from one of those seven countries..."
Right, and the visa waiver program means you don't have to apply for a visa at all, hence the term Visa Waiver Program. It just meant people had to get a visa before travelling, not that they were banned in any way. There was no ban. Not any ban at all.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:23 PM
 
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Did you even read the executive order?
6 of 7 countries have active war zones.
Only 1 country makes list of countries with 10 largest Muslims populations.

Quit spreading fake news.
And the countries weren't even mentioned by name in the order, he just referred to the pre-existing statute or something that outlined them.

There is so much about this that people don't know and it makes me more angry than anything. Speaking of "alternative facts"...
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:30 PM
 
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And the countries weren't even mentioned by name in the order, he just referred to the pre-existing statute or something that outlined them.

There is so much about this that people don't know and it makes me more angry than anything. Speaking of "alternative facts"...
It's very confusing, but whose fault is that?

This thing was so rushed and poorly communicated that no one in the Federal Government, even people tasked with executing the EO, knew what it meant or what to do.

How are the public supposed to know? Immigration law is convoluted and confusing as it is.

It certainly wasn't run up the Justice Department's flagpole before being signed in.

He didn't even wait for his own AG to be confirmed.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:40 PM
 
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It's very confusing, but whose fault is that?

This thing was so rushed and poorly communicated that no one in the Federal Government, even people tasked with executing the EO, knew what it meant or what to do.

How are the public supposed to know? Immigration law is convoluted and confusing as it is.

It certainly wasn't run up the Justice Department's flagpole before being signed in.

He didn't even wait for his own AG to be confirmed.
Well, what I'm referring to isn't confusing. I'm mainly talking about the misnamed "Muslim ban" people and the media love to call it. This is not a Muslim ban, this is a specific - essentially - travel and refugee program freeze for 7 countries that is temporary. Numerous predominantly Muslim countries haven't been included, so this is in no way a "Muslim ban" - and more than just Muslims are being affected.

But yeah it could have been executed better. The WH has since cleared some things up, like the green card confusion.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:49 PM
 
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David Gergen (a Republican) agrees with Enigma and 18Montclair (both Democrats?) re her being a hero. However, Alan Dershowitz (a Democrat) disagrees with Gergen. Dershowitz thinks that she should have shown some finesse and said she would enforce the parts of Trump's order she thinks are constitutional and not enforce the parts she thinks are unconstitutional, or that she should have just resigned.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:51 PM
 
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It wasn't her job to rubberstamp Trump's policies, but it is her job to defend them in court. She refused, so she was let go.
No, it's not her job to defend them in court. Her job is to uphold the Constitution. Even Jeff Sessions during her confirmation told her she may have to go against her boss if they ask her to do something unlawful.

But she knew she'd get fired for it. Trump just has no issue violating the Constitution, so anyone who actually upholds their oath of office will be fired by him.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:54 PM
 
Location: California
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Things are getting so crazy! Trying to do everything he said so fast has pros and cons. Pros: everything gets done. Cons: everything is SO DRAMATIC.


I do like fast action, I wouldn't mind running things by more experienced eyes who could at least point out what's likely to happen and maybe even prevent things like the green card debacle. I wonder though if that was done on purpose? It sure seems like it.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Well, what I'm referring to isn't confusing. I'm mainly talking about the misnamed "Muslim ban" people and the media love to call it. This is not a Muslim ban, this is a specific - essentially - travel and refugee program freeze for 7 countries that is temporary. Numerous predominantly Muslim countries haven't been included, so this is in no way a "Muslim ban" - and more than just Muslims are being affected. But yeah it could have been executed better. The WH has since cleared some things up, like the green card confusion.
Not including all Muslim Countries does not mean that it is not a Muslim ban. The Countries not included are those in which Trump or his family have business ties. Trump foolishly included a caveat in the order that Christians would be given priority for entry as refugees, and Giuliani went public with the conversation he had with Trump in which Trump asked him "how to create a Muslim ban legally" And, he issued the EO without running it through DOJ or DHS, it's like he and Steve Bannon are just sitting around dreaming up the quickest way to destroy this Nation
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