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Old 02-02-2017, 08:20 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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“I think the funding will come relatively quickly ... we will build it where it's needed first as identified by the men and women who work the border."

"If we could surge the court proceedings -- immigration court proceedings on the border -- and within the law, do it very rapidly ... I think that alone would act as a huge deterrent for people who are considering making the trip up."

DHS secretary: Border wall should be finished in two years | Fox News

This was perhaps President Trump's signature issue. It will be exciting to watch how the border wall is completed so quickly.
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Old 02-02-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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I assume that they can tear down that fencing that now exists (Arizona, California, New Mexico), and replace it with a wall rather easily, if expensively.


I will note that I read an interesting article the other day about some of the pitfalls of building a 'wall' along much of the Texas border. I, and others, have spoken before of some of the problems (ranchers, mountains, river access, etc.). Yet this article noted that much of the Texas-Mexico border is not readily accessible by road (true: I have personally driven from El Paso down to McAllen, and for much of the travel you are far from the border, or from much of anything). The author (an engineer, if I recall) said that a 'wall' implies usage of bricks, stone or concrete.


He said that trucking in such would be prohibitively expensive. Indeed, he said that more than likely, the US Government would likely have to hire Mexican contractors to bring up such material from the Mexican side.


I would also imagine that we would also have to hire many Mexican workers to work on said wall, at least in Texas.
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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Wall in this case means a system. They are not going to lay brick and pour concrete over every linear sixteenth of an inch.
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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I think the term fence and wall are interchangeable in this matter
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:52 AM
 
Location: So California
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Build that wall!! Lol
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:53 AM
 
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I assume that they can tear down that fencing that now exists (Arizona, California, New Mexico), and replace it with a wall rather easily, if expensively.


I will note that I read an interesting article the other day about some of the pitfalls of building a 'wall' along much of the Texas border. I, and others, have spoken before of some of the problems (ranchers, mountains, river access, etc.). Yet this article noted that much of the Texas-Mexico border is not readily accessible by road (true: I have personally driven from El Paso down to McAllen, and for much of the travel you are far from the border, or from much of anything). The author (an engineer, if I recall) said that a 'wall' implies usage of bricks, stone or concrete.


He said that trucking in such would be prohibitively expensive. Indeed, he said that more than likely, the US Government would likely have to hire Mexican contractors to bring up such material from the Mexican side.


I would also imagine that we would also have to hire many Mexican workers to work on said wall, at least in Texas.
The author is fear mongering. If we could blow through mountains and wilderness to build railroads way back when technology really didn't even exist, this is small potatoes.
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Old 02-02-2017, 11:01 AM
 
Location: USA
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Building a wall isn't going to do anything to help American labor if companies can keep moving south of the border.

We would need the wall AND the repeal of NAFTA and all other free-trade agreements with third-world slave-labor nations.
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Old 02-02-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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I'm really curious about this, because I have always been taught that Congress holds the purse-strings. The President can't spend any money unless its been appropriated by Congress. So Dems are going to vote no, and I would think a lot of Republicans who preach cutting govt spending would also have a difficult time approving $20 billion.


I know Trump said he might fund it through a tariff on Mexico. But here too, I question his authority. Can the President just slap a tariff on any country without Congressional approval? Even if he can, the money raised through the tariff is not his to do whatever he pleases with. Perhaps Congress would approve the spending if Trump shows he is off-setting the cost with income from a tariff. But this all ain't gonna happen overnight.
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Old 02-02-2017, 11:48 AM
 
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I'm really curious about this, because I have always been taught that Congress holds the purse-strings. The President can't spend any money unless its been appropriated by Congress. So Dems are going to vote no, and I would think a lot of Republicans who preach cutting govt spending would also have a difficult time approving $20 billion.


I know Trump said he might fund it through a tariff on Mexico. But here too, I question his authority. Can the President just slap a tariff on any country without Congressional approval? Even if he can, the money raised through the tariff is not his to do whatever he pleases with. Perhaps Congress would approve the spending if Trump shows he is off-setting the cost with income from a tariff. But this all ain't gonna happen overnight.
Good question, but let Congress say no and watch them be replaced since security is one of if not THE main duty of the US government and is outlined in the Constitution. 20B is a drop in the bucket for how much money DC wastes on inane things.
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Old 02-02-2017, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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This was perhaps President Trump's signature issue. It will be exciting to watch how the border wall is completed so quickly.
Yes, it will, and will help keep out illegals, terrorists, drugs, guns and back-pack nukes.
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