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"Exacerbated by trumps Actions"? Do you really believe a deal like this was hatched overnight. Get a clue.
It was not, but it was accelrated by Trump speach. Remmember that The camaping started in 2015. and since then Not a single Word out of Trump's mouth has been conciliatory to Mexico, because Trump knows that Blue Collars and Hilly Billies hate mexico.
Its cheaper for a Chinese automaker wishing to sell cars in Mexico, south and central America to make those cars with cheap labor in Mexico than make those cars with cheap labor in China and then ship them.
Also it would be a strategic blunder to simply look at the world map and guess at transportation costs since gross transportation costs and shipment time aren't simply a function of distance. Rather, there are myriad costs, conveniences, red tape, and tariffs involved.
As for the timing of the strategy, do you you really think that the Chinese automaker made a sudden decision within the last few weeks on the flip of a coin or that they had been researching and doing the due diligence for months and months before pulling the trigger?
One dimensional thinking usually begets one dimensional answers.
I've made my comments, you can do what you will with them. You've said nothing that I did not already say, if you understand the word "STRATEGY".
Russia has tons of natural resources, but the culture/ideology makes it a mess. Japan and Germany were the two countries obliterated in WWII, and Germany was basically screwed after WW1 also. Nevertheless, in 2015, they are both in the world's top five economies.
It was not, but it was accelrated by Trump speach. Remmember that The camaping started in 2015. and since then Not a single Word out of Trump's mouth has been conciliatory to Mexico, because Trump knows that Blue Collars and Hilly Billies hate mexico.
And why would anyone here care who builds whatever in Mexico. Mexico can do what they want. They just can't continue to screw the U.S. by taking away American jobs and flooding our country with their citizens that we have to educate, feed, house and incarcerate at taxpayer's expense because they can't take care of their own people.
+1. Trump is on the verge of setting off an economic disaster in the U.S. -- and that shouldn't be a surprise, look how many of his businesses ended in failure. Trump Univ., Trump Airlines, Trump Steaks, Trump casinos in Atlantic City, etc., etc.
The rubes in the Rust Belt who bought Trump's snake oil are going to be so disappointed when those promised new factory jobs never show up...
9 out of 10 manufacturing jobs that disappeared over the last fifteen were lost to automation not outsourcing. Those jobs are long gone.
Automation is making American labor competitive again and why thousands of manufacturing jobs are returning - re-shoring.
For example, the German engineering company Siemens Energy just opened a gas turbine production plant in Charlotte, N.C.
Unfortunately, these types of manufacturing jobs all require years of training beyond high school.
“In our factories, there’s a computer about every 20 or 30 feet,” said Eric Spiegel, who recently retired as president and chief executive of Siemens U.S.A. “People on the plant floor need to be much more skilled than they were in the past.”
10,000 people applied for the jobs but, "fewer than 15 percent of the applicants were able to pass a reading, writing and math screening test geared toward a ninth-grade education."
So these rust belt rubes dusting off their safety goggles in anticipation of low-skilled, union-wage jobs are doomed to disappointment.
Even those who get busy and get the training and education required for middle-skill jobs, if we don't have a market to sell these goods to...
As the auto execs explained to Trump, though they appreciated the tax and regulation breaks, they would not be opening any new factories as they could only build as many cars as they thought they could sell.
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No they "can't just slap them on as they please." True. But how does that make it a myth that Chinese tariffs already exist? They currently exist, and have done for some time. China already imposes tariffs on some products, selective hi VAT rates on others.
So what is your point?
You said all countries slap tariffs on products as they please. Thats nonsense and a myth. China also gave American companies in China advantages over Chinese companies, like tax advantages. But according to WTO it couldnt do that and had to stop it.
And why would anyone here care who builds whatever in Mexico. Mexico can do what they want. They just can't continue to screw the U.S. by taking away American jobs and flooding our country with their citizens that we have to educate, feed, house and incarcerate at taxpayer's expense because they can't take care of their own people.
You are taking false premises
1st one We mexicans do not Send nor we have a program to send Mexicans to USA. In fact it is USA which is pulling mexicans to work in their fields.
2nd one We mexicans are not "Taking" your jobs, we are working in your companies which take all the revenues and leave low salaries and polution.
After these two premises then you can see the falsehood of your statement that we Mexicans in Mexico are somehow taking advantage of you. in Any case hispanics there in USA have the right to social welfare if they pay Property Taxes and Value Added Taxes for the products they consume. somehow they DO PAY TAXES and thus have a right on the benefits of them.
If I go to USA as tourist and consume goods and other stuff ¿Can I ask for their return after I leave? No. ¿where is the justice then in making me as a tourist to pay for your welfare and your pólice? ¿What do I get from paying you taxes if I have no rights there?
I have been there many many times, I am Very Very happy when I come Back to My beloved country. And I am vey very bothered when I have to go there, believe me.
Your thread fails on so many levels it isn't even funny.
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Originally Posted by Bitey
What the hell does this have to do with Trump? Do you think this deal was just hatched yesterday and wasn't in the making long before Trump took office? Do you think these cars are being built for re-import back into China or something? Did you think cars built specifically for the Mexican market were going to be built somewhere else if it weren't for Trump? Do you have any idea how silly you look posting stupid crap like this? Do you even care?
Good point.
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Originally Posted by northshorenative
It is very short-sighted to think that the only market for stuff is in the U.S. - There is an entire world. And if U.S. corporations cannot compete in the global economy, Americans will suffer and lose their jobs. Manufacturing jobs are not the only jobs in the U.S.
I've been preaching that for years.
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Originally Posted by Asgardian
This deal definitely seem like they are looking for labor cheaper than China.
No, it is not.
It's about China breaking into the Central & South American auto markets.
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Originally Posted by bg7
Its cheaper for a Chinese automaker wishing to sell cars in Mexico, south and central America to make those cars with cheap labor in Mexico than make those cars with cheap labor in China and then ship them.
Also it would be a strategic blunder to simply look at the world map and guess at transportation costs since gross transportation costs and shipment time aren't simply a function of distance. Rather, there are myriad costs, conveniences, red tape, and tariffs involved.
As for the timing of the strategy, do you you really think that the Chinese automaker made a sudden decision within the last few weeks on the flip of a coin or that they had been researching and doing the due diligence for months and months before pulling the trigger?
One dimensional thinking usually begets one dimensional answers.
This website is not supported by Mexican Government but by US Government. The government wants the Benefit of their Work, but not the responsabilities associated to taking people to work there and move their lives, giving them low wages and zero rights.
This bureaucratic procedure is Avoided by most Farmers there in USA who want field workers without having to deal with Homeland Security.
China is facing a declining work age population. Partnering with Mexico makes perfect sense.
Whether it makes sense for the U.S. to push Mexico to China is another matter.
China is a developing-State and in particular they are developing their 2nd Level Economy.
Such growth rates are normal under the circumstances.
As China's 2nd Level Economy becomes more advanced, its GDP growth rate will eventually drop to 4%-5% per year.
This has nothing to do with China's Birth-Death Rate.
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