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I'm really not all that surprised, truthhurts. Everyone has different life experiences, and skin color, literally speaking, has nothing to do with anything. It is the culture in which we are raised that makes the difference. Unfortunately, on this planet, our cultures are usually divided along racial lines.
For example, I share little in common with "White People" across the globe, but I share plenty with other white southerners of my income level and background.
What I commonly hear is that "White people aren't capable of understanding black people's problems." In light of your opinions about the "Black Community" and what American blacks really have in common, what is your opinion on this? I think it is a blatant cop-out, but I want to know what you think.
White people, blue people, purple people, are all capable of understanding one anothers problems, once they stop attempting to make it a White People Problem, A Black People Problem, and any other people problem. This is the problem! Problem? (LOL). Serioulsy, the issue is to challegne yourself to stop looking at the racial make up of the people and understand the human nature of the problem. You catch more bees with honey. Too many people look for race as the reason there's a problem and fail to see the human aspect of the problem. History is the best indicator and best way to understand human nature and thus solve human problems. Although technology has changed human behavoir in the last 2,000 years has changed very little. We will always have murders, robbers, adulterers, molesters, intellectuals, elitst, liberals, conservatives, and a host of other human characteristics. WE do ourselves a huge disservice when we choose to associate basic human characteristics with race. (eg. He's black therefore he's a thug, or he's white therefore he's a preppy etc).
MOD CUT Please provide sources or retract that statement!!!
While there are, without a doubt, blacks who are Libertarians it is highly doubtful that out of all ethnic groups they comprise the highest percentage of Libertarians.
Black Americans and Libertarianism doesn't mix. Why? Well, it's ideology is completely at odds with African-American history. COMPLETELY!!!
Correction most black including Harriet Tubman would have been consider either a modern day conservative or libertarian this day in age.
Malcom X -Libertarian
Booker T. Washington - Leading consevative and perhaps modern day libertarian
Sojorner Truth - Liberatrian
Nannie Helen Burroughs - Libertarian
etc..i could go on, but most of the slaves, and freed slaves, would be considerd libertarians. All they wanted was the freedom of choice, maintian and up hold their rights (as established in the constitution), and they wanted government out of their business. The black thought did not change until the socialist and race leaders of the 1970's. Prior to that period over 150 years following slavery blacks did not ask the government for anything.
When the government gave into the "New Deal" in the 1930's Americans also changed their view on government. By the 1960's, so did Blacks. Blacks have been a great indicator of where America is going and where it has been.....
I am giving you some insight of what the general public is sick of and why. FYI, within other races (not all) they will talk abouth "this" within their own race outside of the AA's ear about the whole race card issue (I hope you understand my meaning w/o me getting too descriptive). And they are simply sick of it. What they really want IS equality! Like you do. Now I am speaking in perspective of the stereo-type that the thread is about and where the ster-type is coming from.
The general public (not all), do know that there are blacks are have taken responiblity of their own lives and yes, they are respected. The problem is that when non-blacks speak about these Al Sharptons of the world, then we get attacked by everyone that is black educated and the none alike! When we are not racists. What is funny is that the responsible blacks and "we" agree!!!! All I am saying is that I think it would help with the whole stereotype issue if the responsible blacks would stand against the irresponsible black leaders that are using the race card when it is unwarrented.
Look what your saying is similiar to me asking you to stand up against every little thing Rush Limbaugh says or i'm going to think all whties are racist. Does this make any sense?
Would you like me to base all of my opinions on a loud mouth like Rush and gross generalize all the non-racist whites, because of his rants and raves?
Why would you ask me to do something this silly in reference to Al Sharpton?
If you want to stop Al Sharpton, when he comes on the news do what I do, which is turn the channel and pay him no attention. I do not know what he's doing or has himself involved in 95% of the time.
Look Al Sharpton operates a business, that is soon to run out of consumers. He'll die out on his own, market forces will destroy his business as long as poor blacks continue to move forward in life. He will eventually be null and void. I'm not sure who said this quote, but "How can you keep them on the farm, once they've seen Paris?" For the poor ghetto blacks, "How can you keep them in ghetto once they've seen Paris?" --once they get a taste of success, they won't go back. The people keeping these 8 million individuals from seeing Paris, are losing their stronghold over them.
There's a great line from Booker T Washington about the Al Sharpton type, which he said in a speech in 1909
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy, and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. . . . There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, becauseas long as the disease holds out theyhave not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." --Booker T. Washington 1901
Last edited by truthhurts; 03-04-2008 at 04:48 PM..
Well, it's apparent poor or not based on my previous post the blacks are not ready to hear why there continues to be a stereo-type. Well, I tried to help and thought that maybe you might hear it from a "non" black person and be open minded. I work in the business world where most pple have graduated with higher degrees and I have worked with black pple. Infact my neighbors are both black and I am smack right in the middle. I get along with one and not the other. I don't get along with the other not because he is black, but because he is just not a nice guy.
OP, most smart pple do not stereo type blacks...we know that there are many smart and responisible out there. That is not the issue...the stereo type you are feeling with the Al Sharptons as I mentioned before. As you mentioned, there are many pple in the US that are not educated so their perception could be largly based from the media.
I have lived many different places west coast, to south and now the east coast. In middle america they do not have the exposure to blacks that larger cities have.
I hope that you take this into consideration. I am not saying that I am right, but in my life time I heard many conversations from all race, classes...if you are black, you don't know, we don't mention this to you, because we don't want to offend you.
Well, I am sure I am going to yelled at by some of you. I am so used to this...I am not racist. I am just trying to help. Why don't you ask non blacks why there is a stereo-type?
Well, it's apparent poor or not based on my previous post the blacks are not ready to hear why there continues to be a stereo-type. Well, I tried to help and thought that maybe you might hear it from a "non" black person and be open minded. I work in the business world where most pple have graduated with higher degrees and I have worked with black pple. Infact my neighbors are both black and I am smack right in the middle. I get along with one and not the other. I don't get along with the other not because he is black, but because he is just not a nice guy.
OP, most smart pple do not stereo type blacks...we know that there are many smart and responisible out there. That is not the issue...the stereo type you are feeling with the Al Sharptons as I mentioned before. As you mentioned, there are many pple in the US that are not educated so their perception could be largly based from the media.
I have lived many different places west coast, to south and now the east coast. In middle america they do not have the exposure to blacks that larger cities have.
I hope that you take this into consideration. I am not saying that I am right, but in my life time I heard many conversations from all race, classes...if you are black, you don't know, we don't mention this to you, because we don't want to offend you.
Well, I am sure I am going to yelled at by some of you. I am so used to this...I am not racist. I am just trying to help. Why don't you ask non blacks why there is a stereo-type?
Tigger, why in your own words do you think stereotypes thrive? (stereotypes in general)
Black People don't Stand up to Al Sharpton?? Watch This!
Tigger, just for you here's a responsible black person standing up to Al Sharpton. Is this what you want us "responsible" blacks to do to Al everytime he opens his mouth? (not that it matters)
Look what your saying is similiar to me asking you to stand up against every little thing Rush Limbaugh says or i'm going to think all whties are racist. Does this make any sense?
Would you like me to base all of my opinions on a loud mouth like Rush and gross generalize all the non-racist whites, because of his rants and raves?
Why would you ask me to do something this silly in reference to Al Sharpton?
If you want to stop Al Sharpton, when he comes on the news do what I do, which is turn the channel and pay him no attention. I do not know what he's doing or has himself involved in 95% of the time.
Look Al Sharpton operates a business, that is soon to run out of consumers. He'll die out on his own, market forces will destroy his business as long as poor blacks continue to move forward in life. He will eventually be null and void. I'm not sure who said this quote, but "How can you keep them on the farm, once they've seen Paris?" For the poor ghetto blacks, "How can you keep them in ghetto once they've seen Paris?" --once they get a taste of success, they won't go back. The people keeping these 8 million individuals from seeing Paris, are losing their stronghold over them.
There's a great line from Booker T Washington about the Al Sharpton type, which he said in a speech in 1909
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy, and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. . . . There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, becauseas long as the disease holds out theyhave not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." --Booker T. Washington 1901
To bad that Booker Washington is not alive today. He is so right. Well, I am not black. I don't have to fight this issue. I am sorry that OP and the like have to deal with the stereo-type from the few (THAT GET A LOT OF MEDIA ATTENTION). I think that they can only be fixed within your own community.
To bad that Booker Washington is not alive today. He is so right. Well, I am not black. I don't have to fight this issue. I am sorry that OP and the like have to deal with the stereo-type from the few (THAT GET A LOT OF MEDIA ATTENTION). I think that they can only be fixed within your own community.
Tigger, you have done a great job avoiding all my questions, which i asked a few post earlier. This leads me to believe you have no desire to seek the truth.
Anyway, what percentage of the black community supports Al Sharpton. I'm obviously not privy to this information, but you seem to be all knowledgable on the Al Sharpton and black statistics, so could you please cite the poll in which all black support for Al Sharpton was listed????
Clearly, only a person with this information could make the claims you're making, because if you do not have this information present, then dare i say, all you have is an opinion, MOD CUT!
Last edited by NewToCA; 03-05-2008 at 07:48 AM..
Reason: don't get carried away
To the original OP... I think it is great that you live a very cultured life, you are living proof that stereotypes can be broken and you also prove that at the core level, all races are the same.
With that said, you are very unique to almost all of the black people I have ever met. With the exception of a handful, all of the black people I have met or am friends with, fit many of the aspects of the stereotype that you lay out, and on top of that most of them seem to gladly fit in to these aspects because it helps in unifying their bretheren.
What you are doing/saying is very unfair to a majority of the American Blacks out there. Many of them do not live the way you live, they feel that is the white mans life... they don't want part of that... they want to stand out as a black person.
It is a very unfortunate situation that so many black people find it acceptable to fit into the stereotype. I work with a lot of different inner city black people here in Rochester, NY... and by work I mean labor with... by talking with them and getting to know them I conclude that nearly all of them are capable of of a life and education that you and I have, however it seems they choose their stereotypical paths out of stubbornness against white people or social programming.
The only reason I said all of this is because the OP makes a counter generalization against the generalization that ALL black people fit their stereotype. I think what I have provided is somewhat middle ground.
I grew up in middle class Rochester (attended Bishop Kearney high school as well as schools in Greece). Rochester's white population seem to do a lot of grouping ALL black people into a category. Yes Rochester's inner city has a lot of problems!!! But on a larger scale Rochester's problem seems to be more of a suburb vs. the city mentality. Rochester is unique because most people both black and white seem to live in a bubble. People in the suburbs have this I am so afraid of the city, those blacks might kill me attitude. The blacks in the city seem to lack direction for whatever reason and some parents seem to encourage this behavior. Quite frankly, Rochester can be depressing for lack of a better word.
I grew up with many black middle class people who had mothers and fathers (and there weren't different fathers). We had parents who went to college, and we were expected to do the same. We all became successful. But yet in Rochester I always found myself in " you need to defend your people mode". Or answering the all famous you are articulate, how can this be? as if blacks couldn't possibly be articulate after all they have brown skin. I don't have to defend the black race. I am not the entire black community. My parents instilled values, education, morals and the like. My brother is an optical engineer and there aren't many blacks in that arena. Believe it or not there are successful black people, even in Rochester.
There's a great line from Booker T Washington about the Al Sharpton type, which he said in a speech in 1909
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy, and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. . . . There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, becauseas long as the disease holds out theyhave not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." --Booker T. Washington 1901
I have seen this quote before and wow-for Booker T. Washington to have the insight of the Al Sharptons and the Jesse Jacksons of the future almost sends chills up my spine. He wrote these words long before the civil rights movement. He wrote these words when Black Americans were in most cases not allowed to vote, go to white schools etc. To me, the words offered the hidden optomisim that things would improve for Black Americans but the reality that if Black Americans were treated equally, then some people would still continue to make a career out of injustices that were no longer there. Everytime I read this I get chills.
Nicolem
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Reason: correction
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